2012 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa

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Chuckjr
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marcush. wrote:haha Button is doing a prost on Hamilton..Mclaren sure have people still in the company remmbering those days when senna tried to outfox the prof who himself tried the same with ayrton....
I bet your right. LH is an emotionally charged personality with an all out assault bent, while JB seems like a cool, methodical assassin. Im sure there's more to all this than the overly simple explination. All's fair in love and war and neither of those guys wants the other to finish ahead.
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n smikle wrote:Button's side of the garage are playing mind games. Button sand bagged in FP3 to make it next to impossible for LH side of the garage to know which wing was faster. It was only in Q2 that Button showed the true speed of the new Rear wing. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot; why the hell did Mclaren not give the leading driver the new wing to try first?!
Actually this is complete rubbish.
You never really see pole lap times in free practice, everybody sand bangs.

Lewis also had the new wing on, a quote from his twitter which later got deleted

'''Damn, WT F!! Jenson has the new rear wing on, I have the old. We voted to change, didn't work out. I lose 0.4 tenths just on the straight.''
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formul ... ds-newsxml

He said that he didn't feel happy with the new wing in the FP3 and decided that they would make 'dramatic changes' which included going back to the old wing and changing to a higher down force setting. He said in the interview after that didn't pay of and so it proved because what was a deficit of .5 seconds in FP3 turned to a .8 seconds by the end of Q3. But there is the thought that had Lewis not have turned wide on the first corner the gap between him and Jenson might well have remained a .5 second deficit.

Here are the times so you can compare yourself;
Lewis Hamilton, MP4-27A-04:
FP3: 12th, 1m49.615s (+1.073s) 19 laps
Q1: 8th, 1m49.605s (on Primes)
Q2: 5th, 1m48.563s (on Options)
Q3: 8th, 1m48.394s (on Options)

Jenson Button, MP4-27A-02:
FP3: 5th, 1m49.091s (+0.549s) 18 laps
Q1: 2nd, 1m49.250s (on Primes)
Q2: 1st, 1m47.654s (on Options)
Q3: 1st overall, 1m47.573s (on Options)


So there goes your theory of 'sandbagging' and insinuations of favouritism.

Love how some of you love to jump to conspiracy theories any time Button beats Hamilton...scrub that, it's actually really dam annoying.

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n smikle wrote:Button's side of the garage are playing mind games. Button sand bagged in FP3 to make it next to impossible for LH side of the garage to know which wing was faster. It was only in Q2 that Button showed the true speed of the new Rear wing. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot; why the hell did Mclaren not give the leading driver the new wing to try first?!
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Are they alowed to change the rear wing on HAM's car before the race if someone, say for instance took a sledgehammer to it?
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yes they are, for an identical part
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Oh now come on! What's wrong with some inner team rivalry/tactics!!? This is not a sterile laboratory, these are competative human beings. It's not all politically correct like people seem to believe. Part of the great lore of this sport are the story's that emerge that give it life. Geez. Let things breath for goodness sake.
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n smikle wrote:Button's side of the garage are playing mind games. Button sand bagged in FP3 to make it next to impossible for LH side of the garage to know which wing was faster. It was only in Q2 that Button showed the true speed of the new Rear wing. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot; why the hell did Mclaren not give the leading driver the new wing to try first?!
It doesn't take an aerodynamicist to realize that the old rear wing was going to drag more than the new. I'm going to trust LH here and say he couldn't get the looser rear end into line (as per the lower df rear wing ends up giving).

As to what's happened in the RB garage...THAT grinds my gears. Wait...that's right. Now I am sad.

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RB7ate9 wrote:
n smikle wrote:Button's side of the garage are playing mind games. Button sand bagged in FP3 to make it next to impossible for LH side of the garage to know which wing was faster. It was only in Q2 that Button showed the true speed of the new Rear wing. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot; why the hell did Mclaren not give the leading driver the new wing to try first?!
It doesn't take an aerodynamicist to realize that the old rear wing was going to drag more than the new. I'm going to trust LH here and say he couldn't get the looser rear end into line (as per the lower df rear wing ends up giving).

As to what's happened in the RB garage...THAT grinds my gears. Wait...that's right. Now I am sad.

What's happening in Red Bull?

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JimClarkFan wrote:
RB7ate9 wrote:
n smikle wrote:Button's side of the garage are playing mind games. Button sand bagged in FP3 to make it next to impossible for LH side of the garage to know which wing was faster. It was only in Q2 that Button showed the true speed of the new Rear wing. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot; why the hell did Mclaren not give the leading driver the new wing to try first?!
It doesn't take an aerodynamicist to realize that the old rear wing was going to drag more than the new. I'm going to trust LH here and say he couldn't get the looser rear end into line (as per the lower df rear wing ends up giving).

As to what's happened in the RB garage...THAT grinds my gears. Wait...that's right. Now I am sad.

What's happening in Red Bull?
The problem with Mark Webber's gearboxes. I believe it's been twice now where he's had to switch to a new gearbox, putting him down on the grid. First in Germany, now in Spa. To have that happen within three GPs is not something that ought to happen with a top-flight F1 team. I'm worried that he's going to be out of the podium for the 3rd race in a row.

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Couple of hours more and I'm heading to the TV studio for my third appearance this year. I'm quite happy to have the chance to comment one of the most iconic races in F1.

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RB7ate9 wrote: The problem with Mark Webber's gearboxes. I believe it's been twice now where he's had to switch to a new gearbox, putting him down on the grid. First in Germany, now in Spa. To have that happen within three GPs is not something that ought to happen with a top-flight F1 team. I'm worried that he's going to be out of the podium for the 3rd race in a row.
it's worse than that considering that the gearbox problem emerged in Hungary rather than in Spa.

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Does anyone have a link for the individual lap times for fp3? (as in every lap each driver did not just their best time)

I used to be able to find it on the FIA website but I can't any more :(

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SamH123 wrote:Does anyone have a link for the individual lap times for fp3? (as in every lap each driver did not just their best time)

I used to be able to find it on the FIA website but I can't any more :(
here you go:
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... EM40SLQSK8

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Cheers, that's a cool website

I wanted to check out the times of any stints to see about the following:

-----------Tobias Grüner F1 ‏@tgruener
#f1 Some fuss about tyres in the #Spa paddock. Red Bull noticed dangerous high tyre wear and want all teams to make 3 stopps mandatory.

#f1 #Spa Bernie talking to @PaulHembery right now about potential tyre issues. I heard, medium tyres last for about 14 laps after start.------------------

but turns out the tweets were based on misinfo!

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Maybe they think,
Nico could go for a drive like Schuey did last year from 23rd to 5th.

Well,
but it is good to see that the new Aero-Guy brought some fresh ideas to the W03. Better than nothing. :)