Hamilton to leave for Mercedes 2013

[zyphro]

Perhaps, but when yo know you're being treated unfailry what other options do you have?

You're kidding me, right? Schumacher & Alonso are the prime examples of what is considered a "team player"; when --- was going against them, did you see them complaining? No. Hamilton is an idiot: why is he complaining? He has a car which has been quickest in Hungary, Spa and now Monza. He's throwing his toys out of the pram for no real reason: if he wants to win the title, he needs to quit bitching and concentrate on the driving. Lets not go into the jokesters he brings into his McLaren garage every once inawhile, whom only serve as a distraction.

Important question: does he want to win titles, or gain more fame?

[internetf1fan]

Now we will see if Whitmarsh has balls to tell Button to move aside if Lewis and Jenson are running next to each other just like Ferrari did with Massa and Alonso today. If they don't, Hamilton would be a fool to stay on.

[Slife]

Now we will see if Whitmarsh has balls to tell Button to move aside if Lewis and Jenson are running next to each other just like Ferrari did with Massa and Alonso today. If they don't, Hamilton would be a fool to stay on.

I believe Button said he won't support Hamilton until he is mathematically outof the WDC, so it would be 2 or more races before that happens.

[bhall]

I think some of us have been treating Young Hamilton a bit unfairly. I know for sure I have. I think perhaps a counterbalance is in order.

Q: (Livio Oricchio - O Estado de Sao Paulo) To Lewis and Fernando, Fernando, several times you have said that you love the Singapore circuit, it's perfect for your style and Lewis also loves to drive on street circuits. What do you project for the next race, now you're both fighting for the championship?

FA: Well, we'll see. I think it's a very nice race, very nice atmosphere in Singapore and not only for the race on Sunday. I think from the day you arrive, Wednesday or Thursday, it's a special weekend, you feel it. All the times and everything is out of the normal routine and I think you enjoy the change a little bit more and I think the circuit is quite interesting, very challenging. I think you enjoy driving there. Fans are always very close to us in that circuit as well and I think there will be a nice atmosphere, a nice fight. Personally I hope it will be a good test for us because there are a lot of new things that we will bring to Singapore, so let's hope we can fight for the win.

LH: I second what Fernando said. He's just given us the information, that Ferrari are going to be bringing lots of parts to the next race, so I will go back to my team and push them to...

FA: It's not only Singapore.

See? He's a team player after all, and I'm sure his team will sincerely appreciate this future dissemination of publicly announced information. I think it can be considered nothing but an olive branch, a submission of goodwill in the spirit of rebuilding any trust and understanding that may have been lost in the aftermath of his dissemination of private data at Spa. Not only that, but it's definitive proof that Mr. Hamilton's technical prowess is second-to-none.

Lewis Hamilton: McLaren race driver and Chief Reconnaissance Officer. Dig it.

[snoop1050]

maybe he should move to mercedes where there has been 1 update in about 7 races
some cars are so good they dont need upgrading , if only mercedes had hamilton they could have tied up the championship by now

[marcush.]

you are dreaming if you think a drivers voice would have any influence on upgrade scheduling .
These things need to be well thought out and preplanned =scheduled you cannot just come up with an idea and stick it to the car trying to improve.
You are working on the new prject and deadlines will fix the point when you will have to set a design freeze for your lunch spec ,first ,second third race specification.
The on track experience will obviously redirect your development plans as certainly not everything is working as intended or thing s do not work at all....but certainly an upgrade will rarely be triggered n´by a driver stomping angry in the workshop.

[ScottB]

you are dreaming if you think a drivers voice would havce any influence on upgrade scheduling .
These things need to be well thought out and preplanned =scheduled you cannot just come up with an idea and stick it to the car trying to improve.
You are working on the new prject and deadlines will fix the point when you will have to set a design freeze for your lunch spec ,first ,second third race specification.
The on track experience will obviously redirect your development plans as certainly not everything is working as intended or thing s do not work at all....but certainly an upgrade will rarely be triggered n´by a driver stomping angry in the workshop.

Of a course a driver has influence on updates, given that to varying degrees teams follow their feedback and information on what the car needs and where to improve. Obviously not them sitting there trying to design the thing, but they are involved in the process to an extent.

In any case, drivers usually talk about motivating the team when talking about updates, which when you look at say Schumacher or Alonso at Ferrari, I'd say they definitely do push the team forward.

[bhall]

you are dreaming if you think a drivers voice would havce any influence on upgrade scheduling .
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Perhaps I should add a little moisture to my sarcasm.

[marcush.]

you are dreaming if you think a drivers voice would havce any influence on upgrade scheduling .
[...]

Perhaps I should add a little moisture to my sarcasm.

oops ..

as for the obove ..of course the driver is pushing not only on track but he should not be the one screaming for a new wing endplate for the hell of it .The engineers do not sit in the car usually. So he should complain of the lack of front grip and possibly give a detailed insight what is happening ....then only the engineers will be in a position to decide if its setup or the car has run out of adjustment range to arrive at the desired characteristic -then it´s time to add new bits -if you have something in the pipeline to counter the bad manners your driver is complainimng about.

Remember MGP in 2010? lack of front grip -the team came up with a new airbox design... very helpful.

[FoxHound]

Marcush
Did Mercedes not already have the blade airbox design on the drawing baord before it became apprent the W01 was front heavy?
They did screw it up that year, but to say they came to a GP with a new airbox to fix a weight distribution issue is misleading as it is wrong.

[ScottB]

The Blade air box was intended to be on that car from the start, it's monoque was designed to accommodate it.

[marcush.]

Marcush
Did Mercedes not already have the blade airbox design on the drawing baord before it became apprent the W01 was front heavy?
They did screw it up that year, but to say they came to a GP with a new airbox to fix a weight distribution issue is misleading as it is wrong.

maybe the concept was planned from the begiining -but obviously THIS was not a performance factor as proved by two other teams that liked the idea but dropped it after a single season as well...my point was simply they put time and effort into something that was always going to have a minor effect -at a time when the team was considerably smaller in terms of workforce than Ferrari and Mclaren -plus they had a severe -UNSOLVED-issue with their front grip needing attention .
You do not decide your update introduction on convenience or how it was preplanned when realising things are not panning out as outlined..W01 had a serious weight distribution issue and maybe a tub stiffness issue on top of it.
There was not much done to adress this other than a adjustment of front suspension a arms correction.The real work -gearbox redesign - was not done.

The same is true for W02 -they realised having too short a car and too high a cofG .It would have been entirely possible to
have a new gearbox casing adopting the RB style KERS battery positioning -freeing up space for the fuel load and opening air
path around the rear tyres -plus helping the tyres with a longer wheelbase.
It was not adressed in season..maybe I´m asking too much there.but I feel they shy away from commiting to big changes ..

[FoxHound]

The way you are posting suggests to me that, you have run an F1 team? This is not a simulation whereby you think up a miracle cure and fix it. New gearbox casing? do you honestly think this was not discussed between designers and engineers?
I hate to say it mate, you are making the pros appear to be imbeciles, which is very far from the case. Unless of course you have run an F1 team.

[FoxHound]

The Blade air box was intended to be on that car from the start, it's monoque was designed to accommodate it.

exactly right.

[PlatinumZealot]

you are dreaming if you think a drivers voice would have any influence on upgrade scheduling .
These things need to be well thought out and preplanned =scheduled you cannot just come up with an idea and stick it to the car trying to improve.
You are working on the new prject and deadlines will fix the point when you will have to set a design freeze for your lunch spec ,first ,second third race specification.
The on track experience will obviously redirect your development plans as certainly not everything is working as intended or thing s do not work at all....but certainly an upgrade will rarely be triggered n´by a driver stomping angry in the workshop.

Yeah that is more likely the case, but in real life there are a few exceptions.... Hamilton pushed Mclaren into releasing the side wash endplates a race early in 2009. He even suggested that they put a certain feature on the wing. So you can say he had a small hand in its design. It is well documented actually.