Mercedes AMG F1 W03

[Ferraripilot]

The real kicker is going to see how this effects their DDRS system operates as I've read in the same Autosport article that it is 'new' in some way suggesting the front system acts on a fluidic switch (passive once a certain pressure is realized) as well as when DRS is open. I believe the front wing has been passive for some time now, I believe we determined that when Schu knocked his front wing off and we noted the tubing.....

[marcush.]

if you look closely I think the newer front wing has slightly slimmer wing pilons to the nose -an indication of no tube inside?
I´m always fascinated how people can come up with per lap gains of modifications we have not even seen ....but there you go.
In my logic the quickest car around shows whatßs possible over a lap a stint a race distance.W03 has the speed ,the yjust need to up their game and find ways to gain consistency .if it´s a coanda exhaust... perfect does it bring 4tenth to the plate ? I´d be happy if it brought 4 tenth on average lap time..and zero in ultimate lap time

[Ferraripilot]

if you look closely I think the newer front wing has slightly slimmer wing pilons to the nose -an indication of no tube inside?
I´m always fascinated how people can come up with per lap gains of modifications we have not even seen ....but there you go.
In my logic the quickest car around shows whatßs possible over a lap a stint a race distance.W03 has the speed ,the yjust need to up their game and find ways to gain consistency .if it´s a coanda exhaust... perfect does it bring 4tenth to the plate ? I´d be happy if it brought 4 tenth on average lap time..and zero in ultimate lap time

My conjecture of .300-.400 is based on what such an exhaust yielded for Ferrari, which in their case was a gain of I believe more than .300-.400.

Good catch on the nose pylons, you could be right. DIfficult to say.

[yener]

if you look closely I think the newer front wing has slightly slimmer wing pilons to the nose -an indication of no tube inside?
I´m always fascinated how people can come up with per lap gains of modifications we have not even seen ....but there you go.
In my logic the quickest car around shows whatßs possible over a lap a stint a race distance.W03 has the speed ,the yjust need to up their game and find ways to gain consistency .if it´s a coanda exhaust... perfect does it bring 4tenth to the plate ? I´d be happy if it brought 4 tenth on average lap time..and zero in ultimate lap time

Exactly! The car isnt that much based on a quick lap. If they would allow fuel at the pitstop the car wouldnt be that bad. The problem is really when the car is heavy at the start of the race they lose to much time. Most of the time we see purple times in s1 s2 and s3 at the final stage of the race.

So consistancy is the key.

[Ferraripilot]

That was the issue with W02 as well, only with W02 it was due to its overly high CoG and short stature. I believe W03 has the CoG issue handled but its inconsistent performance on different fuel loads is now due to this suspension system they are running. I'm sure they set up the car to run its best when they know it will make a difference ie. low fuel loads when more time and better use of the tires is possible. I believe this also is an issue with rear DF on the car as well, heavier car, even more so less stable back end, so they arrange it to mitigate tire wear at the beginning stint with performance being critically set up for the ending stint.

[diego1960]

Coanda type exhaust to be tested tomorrow at Magny Cours.
The team has recently increased there model size from 50% to 60%.
This gave them insight into the positive effects of the coanda type exhaust.
So the 50% model explains why they did not see the benefit before.
Source: Autosport.com

Will we be able to get our hands on some pics of the updates tmr?
I would really like to see their idea of a new exhaust. Perhaps McLaren like?

I also find very interesting the model size increase, this must show that they have taken the whole "success in F1" thing seriously, first the new simulator and now a new model. That must signal that Mercedes will stay, and I know Ross said it already but I find it hard to believe anything that comes from him at this point.

[Ferraripilot]

If we had spy shots of W03 prior to it officially being unveiled, I am quite sure we will have shots of their updates tomorrow.

[Timstr]

Coanda type exhaust to be tested tomorrow at Magny Cours.
The team has recently increased there model size from 50% to 60%.
This gave them insight into the positive effects of the coanda type exhaust.
So the 50% model explains why they did not see the benefit before.
Source: Autosport.com

Will we be able to get our hands on some pics of the updates tmr?
I would really like to see their idea of a new exhaust. Perhaps McLaren like?

I also find very interesting the model size increase, this must show that they have taken the whole "success in F1" thing seriously, first the new simulator and now a new model. That must signal that Mercedes will stay, and I know Ross said it already but I find it hard to believe anything that comes from him at this point.

I'm sure, yes.
xpbimages.com photographer arrived in Magny Cours today:
https://twitter.com/SoEnglishSoF1/statu ... 7913264128

[zyphro]

There are always photographers are these tests; there were shots taken at the Mugello test.

[marcush.]

That was the issue with W02 as well, only with W02 it was due to its overly high CoG and short stature. I believe W03 has the CoG issue handled but its inconsistent performance on different fuel loads is now due to this suspension system they are running. I'm sure they set up the car to run its best when they know it will make a difference ie. low fuel loads when more time and better use of the tires is possible. I believe this also is an issue with rear DF on the car as well, heavier car, even more so less stable back end, so they arrange it to mitigate tire wear at the beginning stint with performance being critically set up for the ending stint.

this is what I was talking about all the time-you find THE Reason for your bad full tank performance=high cof G and this stops all activity to improve the car -as the fuel tank is all but fixed8which it isn´t) .it can be and is in the case of MGP very counterproductive if your team is analysing and comes to the conclusion :we got a fundamental flaw that cannot be overcome..Bollocks.You have to work on your issues ,as hard as you can and find a workaround that does not rob you of all the little pace you got .Others have other problems and they do their job.
Now MGP has a new car and surely a much better cof G but still their full tank pace is crap. i conclude :there was more potential in w02 then MGP was able to allow their brains to release from the car....this team is constantly underperforming
they lack ingeniuity and inspiration ...the one guy with a glow in his eyes is Schumacher.

[diego1960]

Thanks for the quick reply guys! I can't wait to see the updates. Hopefully they can turn this dog in a podium-contender and give MSC the chance to leave on a high (if he does leave which I hope he doesn't).

[Adamski]

I don't know guys why you are so happy because of some updates that was so important at least 3 months ago. What makes me worried is that a coanda type exhaust do not solve their main problem. As we have noticed, the car is very slow in fast and long corners. That is what they need to address.

The coanda exhaust will help them to have a little better balance thus longer tire life and faster car, but probably that is not what they will need to make this car a front runner.

I also do not like very much this Lotus like double-triple magical DRS thing. Why they are invest so much money and time to such a thing that was never proven before. Also, Brawn admit it is not help them in the corners like Ascari chicane and so on. So they will be very fast in short corners at the end of the year, but will lose out on fast corners.

That means for me they will be nowhere in every track except maybe in Singapore.

At least we have some information that they are not rest on their laurels. 10% bigger model in wind tunnel and I have to admit, some very interesting aero upgrade. It was waited for so long time, too much time i think!

[mantikos]

My money is on the fact that the new aero guys demanded a 60% scale since that's what everyone works with and to they lost some time due to getting correlation between the upgraded tunnel model and real world. Also, the old aero dude left, so that would have slowed down some of the aero work.

[zyphro]

But if everyone works with 60%, how did MGP not notice this? Surely this is a flaw in team operation?

[mantikos]

^ Takes time n money...thats why they they were still on 50%