Hamilton to leave for Mercedes 2013

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Re: Rumor Mill: Hamilton to leave for Mercedes

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internetf1fan wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538383

McLaren will let Button take points away from Hamilton.

I am glad Lewis is leaving.
And this is my 2nd problem with Mclaren... how can you fight a nuclear war head called ferrari No.1 driver policy with this stupid equal rights thing at this point of the season?!
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internetf1fan wrote:
wesley123 wrote:
internetf1fan wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538383

McLaren will let Button take points away from Hamilton.

I am glad Lewis is leaving.
Or in another way, the team respects both of their drivers and lets them both drive to their maximum and lets both be able to score a maximum result
And that's the problem. With Vettel in RedBull and Alonso in Ferrari getting better treatment, for Lewis it's much harder for him to win a championship in a McLaren when even know McLaren is allowing Button to take points away from him. Lewis is thinking for himself and I am glad he is moving to Merc, if he is.
They are both clearly better than their respective teammates, Hamilton isn't. Didn't he even score less points than Button since Button drives for Mclaren? He needs to put up or shut up, which of course neither of the two we are ever going to see him do.
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I would guess that such a serious amount of money would allow them to ignore the constant complains of a car that was nowhere near as bad as their #1 driver tried to sell throughout the season.

Heck, a car on which Massa finishes in the podium or has to lift so that his teammate finishes ahead (As we saw often in the final races of the year) is, by no means, a "bad" car."

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jdlive wrote: They are both clearly better than their respective teammates, Hamilton isn't. Didn't he even score less points than Button since Button drives for Mclaren? He needs to put up or shut up, which of course neither of the two we are ever going to see him do.

Have you watched any of the races this season? Hamilton is the only one consistently up there. If it wasn't for the McLaren --- ups, he would be there with Alonso. How many points has McLaren cost Hamilton. More than Button for sure, who by himself managed to hit HRT and have a DNF. Hamilton hasn't had any serious errors like that so far this season. Of course, everyone just conveniently forgets that since they have their own agenda. We are talking about chances of winning THIS season. You tell me who has been the better driver.
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n smikle wrote:
internetf1fan wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538383

McLaren will let Button take points away from Hamilton.

I am glad Lewis is leaving.
And this is my 2nd problem with Mclaren... how can you fight a nuclear war head called ferrari No.1 driver policy with this stupid equal rights thing at this point of the season?!
Exactly, glad someone else sees my point of view. Everyone here seems to be so biased.

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jdlive wrote: They are both clearly better than their respective teammates, Hamilton isn't. Didn't he even score less points than Button since Button drives for Mclaren? He needs to put up or shut up, which of course neither of the two we are ever going to see him do.
Which is why is equal throughout the season, prob the same for vettel and webber. My issue and i think the issue suggested, is Hamilton is now clearly in a much much better championship winning position so the team should get behind him.

if Button doesn't want to be classed as a number 2 towards the end of the season he should put up during the season.

I'm all for drivers being equal at the start of the season, but as soon as one driver is in a better position than the other with a reasonable amount of races left (like now) then there needs to be a number 1 and 2

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n smikle wrote:
internetf1fan wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538383

McLaren will let Button take points away from Hamilton.

I am glad Lewis is leaving.
And this is my 2nd problem with Mclaren... how can you fight a nuclear war head called ferrari No.1 driver policy with this stupid equal rights thing at this point of the season?!

Huge Button fan here so read carefully what I say.

Tell me the number of instances this season where telling Button to move over for Lewis would have helped Lewis?

I mean, how many times has Button been a position where moving over for Lewis would have benefited him in terms of a better scoring position at the end of a race?

I can't think of 1. Silverstone was close, but really did that effect Lewis?

What I am trying to say is that Lewis has been pretty much ahead of Button for the most part anyway.

You are getting your knickers in a tizz for nothing.

Besides, if that situation comes then of course they will pull a Brazil 2010 on Button. Go back and check what happened there. It was very discrete but at the same time it was clear what Mclaren were doing with strategy.

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PNSD wrote: What I am trying to say is that Lewis has been pretty much ahead of Button for the most part anyway.
which is exactly why button + team should be, for the rest of the season, behind Hamilton and not take points off of him if the situation occurs

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internetf1fan wrote:
n smikle wrote:
internetf1fan wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538383

McLaren will let Button take points away from Hamilton.

I am glad Lewis is leaving.
And this is my 2nd problem with Mclaren... how can you fight a nuclear war head called ferrari No.1 driver policy with this stupid equal rights thing at this point of the season?!
Exactly, glad someone else sees my point of view. Everyone here seems to be so biased.
Wait?! Are you actually serious with that post? You are the one who bashes the McLaren team and Whitmarsh whenever possible, and now you are complaining about how everyone is so biased?

Apart from that, when Ferrari broke the rules regarding this in Germany 2010 they were oh so wrong and the worst players of the sport. And now out of a sudden it is the thing you should do and fair play within the team is wrong? Seriously what a bs
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PNSD wrote:
n smikle wrote:
internetf1fan wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19538383

McLaren will let Button take points away from Hamilton.

I am glad Lewis is leaving.
And this is my 2nd problem with Mclaren... how can you fight a nuclear war head called ferrari No.1 driver policy with this stupid equal rights thing at this point of the season?!

Huge Button fan here so read carefully what I say.

Tell me the number of instances this season where telling Button to move over for Lewis would have helped Lewis?

I mean, how many times has Button been a position where moving over for Lewis would have benefited him in terms of a better scoring position at the end of a race?

I can't think of 1. Silverstone was close, but really did that effect Lewis?

What I am trying to say is that Lewis has been pretty much ahead of Button for the most part anyway.

You are getting your knickers in a tizz for nothing.

Besides, if that situation comes then of course they will pull a Brazil 2010 on Button. Go back and check what happened there. It was very discrete but at the same time it was clear what Mclaren were doing with strategy.
It began in Canada with team wasting valuable time and resources trying to find a set-up for Button instead of doing development work. It reared its ugly head again in Spa -with Button and his team keeping quiet on the performance of the new wing. On the track it obviously has not really happened because it's just about halfway through the season. However, for the coming races Button should not get any extra resources, and I would like to see Phil Prew assigned to Hamilton exclusively for the next 7 races. All the extra resources should be pumped to the number 4 driver.
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McLaren should ask Button not to hamper Lewis if they get in an awkard situation like in Silverstone, if they want to win the WDC.

Button has beaten Lewis only two times in qualifying this year. If I'm not mistaken, the ones only worse than that are Massa and Karthikeyan who managed to best their team mates on saturdays only once each. When you add into the equation how much points team screw ups cost Hamilton this season, one should be deluded to say Hamilton isn't sufficiently better than Button to deserve no 1 status. Button was completely lost at some point in the season, LH f...ing lapped him in Canada.
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It would be a good thing, refreshing even, if Lewis went to drive for someone else.

If nothing else, I would like to see someone else at McLaren. Do you not think that Lewis' performances, year on year, have been poorer and poorer?

He is very very good, he is now looking fragile next to Vettel and plain erratic next to Fred.
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erm nope, he's having a very good season so far. Instead of blaming Hamilton, I would say it is McLaren that is getting worse and worse from 2008. How many points have they lost Hamilton this year? How exactly has Hamilton been erratic? You're just a hater.
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Please let the facts speak for themselves.

qualifying : 11-2 points: 142-101 wins: 3-2

And given the distance in points from Button to Alonso and Hamilton to Alonso... If this is not the time to grant Lewis no 1 status, then when is ? It's simple logic. If this was happening at Ferrari the outburst from Alonso would be mind blowing - and rightfully so.
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Shrieker wrote:
Dragonfly wrote:
Shrieker wrote:Biased fanboy my a$$. Take a look at the facts above before calling people names. If you've got facts to counter the points made, I'm all ears.
My dear neighbor, affedersiniz, but you are one of the most biased participants I've seen here IMHO. Not bad at all and I appreciate your passion, but don't deny it.
Please let the facts speak for themselves. What has bias got to with this ? Facts are facts, they don't change. Yes I am passionate, but I don't let my feelings cloud my judgement.

qualifying : 11-2 points: 142-101 wins: 3-2

And given the distance in points from Button to Alonso and Hamilton to Alonso... If this is not the time to grant Lewis no 1 status, then when is ? It's simple logic. If this was happening at Ferrari the outburst from Alonso would be mind blowing - and rightfully so.
To be honest, McLaren not issuing team orders until it's mathematically impossible for one driver is one of the things I like most about the team.

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Button has had a low ...for whatever reason it affected him more than it did Hamilton who demonstrated his ability to wrestle impossible results from the car when it was definetely a dog.
But he seems to lose any advantage when the car is very good...so maybe he really is the driver to carry a HRT into Q3... haha..
I see no reason for Mclaren to fanfare button has to play second fiddle..they have learned that lesson long time ago .