Mercedes AMG F1 W03

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Ozan wrote:http://mercamgf1-fans.com/2012/09/18/up ... extension/
http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2012/09/13/me ... shark-fin/

Two shark fin analysises: copyrights MercAMGF1Fans and ScarbsF1
yup i know, but we have seen drivers say that the shark fin didnt make any change to the car at all, back in 2008

The FIA are testing this to make shark fins mandatory in future , so you wont see the shark fin on the car this season

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At least the team has confirmed that they will try the new exhaust system in the free practise, so if everything its OK(I hope so) they will use it on Sunday. Apart from that, I hope to see again the old specificaciton front wing with the cascades. Now that they are going to have more downforce in the rear part of the car they should increase the front downforce too. With a better balanced car the tyre problem should end.

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Team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT last week that the benefits of the exhaust layout – which improves exhaust and airflow to the floor of the car – would be especially felt on the type of low speed corners that are so common in Singapore.

"We think that's quite significant in low speed traction," he said about where the speed was improved with the Coanda exhausts.

"The effect of the exhaust is more significant at lower speeds than higher speeds, and also brings you the balance perhaps you need for the rear tyre."
funny they realised that so late ...

NonNewtonic
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Any latest picture from Singapore?

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NonNewtonic wrote:Any latest picture from Singapore?
Sutton are just arriving there.. so expect some later on

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If Schumacher hasn't agreed a contract and they aren't using the fin until next year, why has the fin got his name on it?

Would seem like a waste of paint & time if he isn't going to be there.

Just a thought

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wjpbill wrote:If Schumacher hasn't agreed a contract and they aren't using the fin until next year, why has the fin got his name on it?

Would seem like a waste of paint & time if he isn't going to be there.

Just a thought
Nah not really...besides, who says that the mercs would be numbered as 7 and 8 next year? As things stand now, it will be 9 and 10...maybe even lower than that if Sauber makes good on the vow they made of catching Merc.
Its just testing..dont read too much into it mate

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Joie de vivre wrote:
Team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT last week that the benefits of the exhaust layout – which improves exhaust and airflow to the floor of the car – would be especially felt on the type of low speed corners that are so common in Singapore.

"We think that's quite significant in low speed traction," he said about where the speed was improved with the Coanda exhausts.

"The effect of the exhaust is more significant at lower speeds than higher speeds, and also brings you the balance perhaps you need for the rear tyre."
funny they realised that so late ...
Pretty sure they realised it early. Brawn commented that they were concerned with tyre temps with such a solution. And given that their degradation is pretty poor, especially at the beginning of the season, they likely wanted to study the concept more as well as get to know the tyres.
Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool...

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Joie de vivre wrote:
Team principal Ross Brawn told AUTOSPORT last week that the benefits of the exhaust layout – which improves exhaust and airflow to the floor of the car – would be especially felt on the type of low speed corners that are so common in Singapore.

"We think that's quite significant in low speed traction," he said about where the speed was improved with the Coanda exhausts.

"The effect of the exhaust is more significant at lower speeds than higher speeds, and also brings you the balance perhaps you need for the rear tyre."
funny they realised that so late ...
Lotus E20 is running with a conventional exhaust like W03 and no tyre-degredation problems and low speed corners.(remember Hungary)
Maybe it's the WHOLE package which is to blame.

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Ozan wrote:
Lotus E20 is running with a conventional exhaust like W03 and no tyre-degredation problems and low speed corners.(remember Hungary)
Maybe it's the WHOLE package which is to blame.
Actually, I am very uncomfortable about prelli using an renault as a test car. Maybe it's just nonsense,but lotus'd have an advantage because of this.

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That car was designed with a very different aero balance, a very different mechanical balance, probably somewhat different suspension geometries etc. Doesn't automatically give Renaultus an advantage. Just means that the way the Lotus treats its tyres are probably closest to the test unit.
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Ozan
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ismail1991 wrote:
Ozan wrote:
Lotus E20 is running with a conventional exhaust like W03 and no tyre-degredation problems and low speed corners.(remember Hungary)
Maybe it's the WHOLE package which is to blame.
Actually, I am very uncomfortable about prelli using an renault as a test car. Maybe it's just nonsense,but lotus'd have an advantage because of this.
it's nonsense as they use R30, the car with low nose and double decker diffuser...

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Ozan wrote:
ismail1991 wrote: Actually, I am very uncomfortable about prelli using an renault as a test car. Maybe it's just nonsense,but lotus'd have an advantage because of this.
it's nonsense as they use R30, the car with low nose and double decker diffuser...
Not completely, the suspension geometry is very similar. And with their knowledge of the aerodynamic behaviour Lotus should be able to read more into the data they were supplied with by Pirelli, this gives them a good hint on what setup window they are likely to need. Sauber, as an example, has benefited from just having a very large setup window, in contrast to the more aerodynamically concentrated teams, who had to introduce mechanical updates to get the tires working the right way.

Has anyone information whether Pirelli has adapted (themselves or asked Lotus) the car to replicate the current aerodynamic balance and such.

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They were seriously looking at upgrading their old test car, the TF109 to match the sheer amount of downforce, as well as aero balance, of 2011. But I don't know if they actually did that, to the Toyota or to their current Renault
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