Motogp are 1L inline 4''s mostly.wunderkind wrote:Don't know........strad wrote:What was that small twin that Ferrai played with? Back in the 50s I believe by Columbo.
Anybody recall that?
But a 500cc V twin is very much like MotoGP isn't it?
Motogp are 1L inline 4''s mostly.wunderkind wrote:Don't know........strad wrote:What was that small twin that Ferrai played with? Back in the 50s I believe by Columbo.
Anybody recall that?
But a 500cc V twin is very much like MotoGP isn't it?
Might well be the same because I remember something about it breaking the dyno.marcush. wrote:It was basically a 500mondial/750 Monza engine cut in half ,right? -I think it vibrated the dyno to pieces ,didn´t it?strad wrote:What was that small twin that Ferrai played with? Back in the 50s I believe by Columbo.
Anybody recall that?
That engine family had a monoblock construction so it was well suited to turbocharging...
I was told that we have a rating system in place and this site will not rely on the 'wisdom' of moderators alone to determine what is valuable input. It has convinced me to make some remarks to this thread, which I care much about.xpensive wrote:Kindly elaborate on the first, how is this so precise?garrett wrote: ...
The rules concerning ERS and MGUH are very precisely to prevent any "arms race".
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Joe Saward recently explicitly said the new engines will not be postponed. I think he should know.
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As for the second, why should Joe Sewer know anything?
Part of the Merc/Mclaren break up was an agreement to 2015 for the engine, but once the new engines come in, they have to pay for them. Mclaren are still in the process of buying back the Merc shares, and will have bought them all back by 2015, which is when their agreement terminates, afaik.skgoa wrote:Whitmarsh has said so but IIRC they don't have a contract past 2013, yet.
xpensive, with due respect: Why should YOU know - if Joe doesn´t ??xpensive wrote:Kindly elaborate on the first, how is this so precise?garrett wrote: ...
The rules concerning ERS and MGUH are very precisely to prevent any "arms race".
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Joe Saward recently explicitly said the new engines will not be postponed. I think he should know.
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As for the second, why should Joe Sewer know anything?
I believe that McLaren and Mercedes have finished the buy back of shares by now. I do remember press statements saying so. With regard to reserved customer engines there are different claims published. McLaren claim to have an option to continue with Merc but Merc indicated that the option is theirs to terminate earlier. It was also claimed in Merc public statements that they have shifted all their funding towards the works team. They used to make a contribution in excess of 80 mil/a in the old days. That is certainly terminated by now. Until last year I believe that McLaren did not pay the full price of the engines or perhaps very little, mainly for KERS. From this or next year their price is supposed to increase but they will still have special pricing for their ongoing Mercedes promotion in place.hairy wrote:Part of the Merc/Mclaren break up was an agreement to 2015 for the engine, but once the new engines come in, they have to pay for them. Mclaren are still in the process of buying back the Merc shares, and will have bought them all back by 2015, which is when their agreement terminates, afaik.skgoa wrote:Whitmarsh has said so but IIRC they don't have a contract past 2013, yet.
Once Mercedes have completed their buy back yes. They still own, I think 10/11% as Mclaren couldn't afford to buy them out of the partnership in full at the time; they did own 40%. As Merc wanted out, they agreed a timescale of payback which was meant to conclude in 2011, but hasn't yet, I believe. Mclaren went to the markets last year for some money, for the new production facility, as they didn't have much of their own (something denied by RD).Nando wrote:I guess the name will change then?
Instead of Mclaren Mercedes it will be Mclaren only?
I'm pretty sure he's talking pre 2001, when 500cc was the top gp class.Cold Fussion wrote:Motogp are 1L inline 4''s mostly.wunderkind wrote:Don't know........strad wrote:What was that small twin that Ferrai played with? Back in the 50s I believe by Columbo.
Anybody recall that?
But a 500cc V twin is very much like MotoGP isn't it?
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 10404.htmlhairy wrote:Once Mercedes have completed their buy back yes. They still own, I think 10/11% as Mclaren couldn't afford to buy them out of the partnership in full at the time; they did own 40%...
I was speaking to a friend inside Mclaren, and I was actually wrong, the buy back clause, initiated in 2009, was intended to finish in 2011. I was under the impression, due to Mclarens failure to sell the target # of cars this past year, would have seen them unable to, given they also went to the market for capital last year. I'll look on Merc accounts, but yes, it looks like the pay back was meant to finish last year.WhiteBlue wrote:http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 10404.htmlhairy wrote:Once Mercedes have completed their buy back yes. They still own, I think 10/11% as Mclaren couldn't afford to buy them out of the partnership in full at the time; they did own 40%...
This German language source confirms a 2012 Wikipedia entry which mentions the return of the residual McLaren shares by Mercedes. So the holding is now zero.
Ok so even if you own that small of a percentage, your name (i.e. Mercedes) will always show up in the full name for the Mclaren team? (i.e. Vodafone Mclaren Mercedes)hairy wrote:Once Mercedes have completed their buy back yes. They still own, I think 10/11% as Mclaren couldn't afford to buy them out of the partnership in full at the time; they did own 40%. As Merc wanted out, they agreed a timescale of payback which was meant to conclude in 2011, but hasn't yet, I believe. Mclaren went to the markets last year for some money, for the new production facility, as they didn't have much of their own (something denied by RD).Nando wrote:I guess the name will change then?
Instead of Mclaren Mercedes it will be Mclaren only?
The reason they wanted out, was because Mercedes wanted to buy Mclaren outright, and RD and the other partners refused, Merc threatened to make their own supercar in competition to the upcoming MP4/12C if they didn't, RD and partners still refused, and out of that was borne not only the divorce, but also the SLS.
Next year, they have to pay for their engines, but not full price as indicated; this deal lasts into 2015 season.
Mclaren look in a bit of trouble, as they aren't shifting the 1000 units a year they forecast to.
However, the new supercar they have developed is spectacular in every area. Should be seen next week in Paris.
Sorry for the ramble.