2012 Japanese GP - Suzuka

[Powershift]

Move of the race was Hamilton's pass/defense coming out of the pits on Kimi.

Great racecraft from Hamilton, but also great clean driving from Kimi.

[Hail22]

Move of the race was Hamilton's pass/defense coming out of the pits on Kimi.

Great racecraft from Hamilton, but also great clean driving from Kimi.

I have to Agree...Hamilton's got class...as does Alonso.

I would of loved to see those two toe to toe for the championship....

Look there is the piece from Raikkonens front wing...








This photo looks like the catalyst for an aggressive fight from Alonso in the races ahead *hides in bunker*



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH4CHXCuWnM[/youtube]

[strad]

you have to be drunk to say this was Kimis fault

Was Kimi behind?
Yes
Could Kimi have avoided the whole mess by not forcing his way where there was nowhere to go?
Yes
Is it Kimi's job not to run into Alonso?
Yes

Ya know,,,sometimes it's better to back off.
But hey,,you have your opinion and I have mine and I am sure not gonna inflict another argument on this board...it's all that happens here any more.

[Hail22]

you have to be drunk to say this was Kimis fault

Was Kimi behind?
Yes
Could Kimi have avoided the whole mess by not forcing his way where there was nowhere to go?
Yes
Is it Kimi's job not to run into Alonso?
Yes

Ya know,,,sometimes it's better to back off.
But hey,,you have your opinion and I have mine and I am sure not gonna inflict another argument on this board...it's all that happens here any more.

+1

My logical thoughts came to the exact same conclusion...whether it was Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton who was the one hit by Raikkonen common sense leans to the fact of braking or leaning off the throttle for the sake of avoiding an incident...

[Powershift]

A simple proximity sensor ( an advanced version of parking sensors on road cars) would've prevented this type of incident which has happened A LOT of times this year. Straight from the top of my mind, it would've prevented Grosjean/Schumi in Monaco, it would've prevented the pile up at SPA and then this. It would most definitely make racing better too.

The thing is, F1 is supposed to be such a high-level of motorsport that such a thing ought to be unnecessary. Considering the closer proximity of amateur racers in WEC, such a proximity warning would be more useful there.

High level or not, the field of view in a F1 car is probably less than any other race car other than a top-fuel funny car. A blind spot indicator should be something mandatory on these cars where the blind spot is big enough to hide 2 cars. Plus it can be used by the stewards to assess blame on a much more consistent basis, but that would be asking for far too much from F1 stewards.

[e30ernest]

you have to be drunk to say this was Kimis fault

Was Kimi behind?
Yes
Could Kimi have avoided the whole mess by not forcing his way where there was nowhere to go?
Yes
Is it Kimi's job not to run into Alonso?
Yes

Ya know,,,sometimes it's better to back off.
But hey,,you have your opinion and I have mine and I am sure not gonna inflict another argument on this board...it's all that happens here any more.

+1

My logical thoughts came to the exact same conclusion...whether it was Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton who was the one hit by Raikkonen common sense leans to the fact of braking or leaning off the throttle for the sake of avoiding an incident...

I think this is a road driver's perspective/reaction to that. In a race where the field is bunched up like that while running at the speeds they are, a lot of potentially larger accidents could have occurred had Kimi decided to lift or even worse, brake to avoid Alonso.

Let's face it, Alonso over-reacted to Button's move on his right, and failed to see Raikkonen behind him to his left. It was the tiniest of errors, but in the end, it was neither entirely anybody's fault. Just another racing incident that unfortunately may have spoiled Alonso's championship bid.

[Vanja #66]

Was Kimi behind?
Yes
Could Kimi have avoided the whole mess by not forcing his way where there was nowhere to go?
Yes
Is it Kimi's job not to run into Alonso?
Yes

Ya know,,,sometimes it's better to back off.
But hey,,you have your opinion and I have mine and I am sure not gonna inflict another argument on this board...it's all that happens here any more.

Exactly... It was sheer dumb luck he wasn't taken out as well. From his point of view, he thought his best chance was to stick to the left and then whatever happens. From my point of view, it was safer for him to have backed off when Alonso closed him and to position himself behind him. It's not that he did anything wrong, he just didn't do it as best as he could have (again, for himself), and drivers rarely do things in the best possible way. 200+km/h doesn't give you a lot of time to react...

That way he could even choose where to go going into the first corner. Of course, it is easy being a general once the battle is over, but this was a pure racing incident, things happen, but this time they happened to the Championship leader, next race it will happen to someone else and that's it.

I think this is a road driver's perspective/reaction to that. In a race where the field is bunched up like that while running at the speeds they are, a lot of potentially larger accidents could have occurred had Kimi decided to lift or even worse, brake to avoid Alonso.

Let's face it, Alonso over-reacted to Button's move on his right, and failed to see Raikkonen behind him to his left. It was the tiniest of errors, but in the end, it was neither entirely anybody's fault. Just another racing incident that unfortunately may have spoiled Alonso's championship bid.

How is it that he over reacted when he moved not a tire width to the left when Button has moved a 1/3 of a track width? He did fail to see Kimi, cause he was looking at fast-approaching Jenson... Who, himself, backed off when he saw how close he got to Alonso, but it was a touch too late. Racing incident, this wouldn't have been mentioned 20 years ago, and I'm glad that stewards haven't reacted as well.

[Raptor22]

Kimi would have realised that if he backed off or braked at that point, he would have been hit up the rear.

The rules this year state that a car is alongside if the front wing is in line with the rear tyre. Kimi played to the rules, Rules ALONSO WANTED....

You have to LEAVA da space, you....have.....to .....leava...........da..................space

[vall]

You have to be drunk to say this was Kimis fault

it was just an racing accident. One of those things that sometimes happen at the start. Kimi could have juts backed off a bit and the whole thing could have been avoided. At the point of the contact Fred was focused to avoid contact on the right. Maybe thought Kimi was already enough behind? Yes, he sqeezed him a bit before, but did not drive him off track or something. Just left one car space....

[Vanja #66]

Kimi would have realised that if he backed off or braked at that point, he would have been hit up the rear.

The rules this year state that a car is alongside if the front wing is in line with the rear tyre. Kimi played to the rules, Rules ALONSO WANTED....

You have to LEAVA da space, you....have.....to .....leava...........da..................space

Oh my... I was just looking at the videos again and guess what, you are correct! If Kimi had backed off enough not to hit Alonso's rear, he would have been hit by Lewis, who was a car length behind... Surely, Lewis isn't capable of avoiding this, he needs at least 10 car lengths, the guy is a ticking time-bomb... I am very sorry to doubt you, please forgive me, I completely forgot The Deserter factor.

[turbof1]

I see exactly the same blames put on kimi as the ones that were put on Hamilton at Spa:
-"He should have went completely on the grass"
-"He should have braked"
-"It was a lost cause, he should have backed off"
-"He shouldn't have qualified that high"
-"If he didn't raced in f1, none of this would have happened"

I know f1 cars are full with technology, but a glass ball to look into the future and get hindsight is NOT part of a f1 car.

[Nando]

Plain and simple race incident, as much as Kimi could have gone 90% throttle, Alonso could have turned a tiny bit to the right as there was more then enough space there.

Easy to be after smart.

[Raptor22]

Kimi would have realised that if he backed off or braked at that point, he would have been hit up the rear.

The rules this year state that a car is alongside if the front wing is in line with the rear tyre. Kimi played to the rules, Rules ALONSO WANTED....

You have to LEAVA da space, you....have.....to .....leava...........da..................space

Oh my... I was just looking at the videos again and guess what, you are correct! If Kimi had backed off enough not to hit Alonso's rear, he would have been hit by Lewis, who was a car length behind... Surely, Lewis isn't capable of avoiding this, he needs at least 10 car lengths, the guy is a ticking time-bomb... I am very sorry to doubt you, please forgive me, I completely forgot The Deserter factor.

and the avoiding action taken by Lewis would have what effect?

Please tell me what your crystal ball reveals.

[Shrieker]

[9gag mode]

Scumbag forum user: Calls for Grosjean's head at Monaco and SPA, says it's Kimi's fault when Alonso does the same

[/9gag mode]

[raymondu999]

So to follow up on my recent rant... Paddy Lowe was recently asked if there had ever been any thoughts of team orders on the pitwall, to switch Jenson and Lewis around for the extra 2 points in the WDC hunt. His reply:

Jenson was competing for a podium and Lewis didn't have the pace to challenge the Sauber at that point

Which implies that the extra 3 points for nabbing the podium would be a better outcome than the 2 extra points Lewis would have had for the switcheroo - ie they're basically just gunning for the WCC now. And the WDC... que sera sera...