Scuderia Ferrari 2012

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raymondu999
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Yes, I posted that video a while back:
raymondu999 wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:45 degree wind tunnel? What it's that?
Starting at 12:05, to 13:50

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot08f0bXf4c[/youtube]
The time reference to 12:05 is about LdM's demands of the tunnel

But if those are the issues, then why aren't other teams being hampered? Ok, some teams have moving walls in their tunnels, but everyone works in a tunnel, everyone works with a 60% scale model... so if these issues are just about scaling the results up, and about the walls of the tunnel, etc - why is it hurting them but not others? I'm not convinced that it's such a simple issue.
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Thanks for the link, munudeges. It's good to read input from a man who has been there (former technical director of the Jordan, Stewart and Jaguar teams). I am miles away from his ability, but simply intuited the same opinions:

"Ferrari lack a visionary - someone like Red Bull's chief technical officer Adrian Newey."

and also: "it started bad and it got better."
Enzo Ferrari was a great man. But he was not a good man. -- Phil Hill

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I have a question that I would like an informed opinion on. Alonso still has one sealed lump. I know it would be a slight advantage to have that with low use for Brazil at altitude to make more hp's but obviously he can’t save it for the last race.
I thought he was going to bust it open at India just because of the high ambient temperature, butI’m thinking now that they figured that if for no other reason they decided not to, because they didn't think they would go well there. Yas Marina is hot but it also has a twilight start. Austin will be relatively cool. How do you think Ferrari will utilize the rest of Alonso's allocation?
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Mr Alcatraz wrote:How do you think Ferrari will utilize the rest of Alonso's allocation?
It will really depend on the condition of the available units and the answer might be revealed at Free Practices this weekend, but I think it will be brand new for USA and the same used for Brazil.

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raymondu999 wrote:Yes, I posted that video a while back...
Yes that's the one, thanks.

It's most interesting in that it gives you a good insight into just how much of a black art aerodynamics is. A wind tunnel is the closest thing to reality versus track testing, but there are some things it will simply never be able to tell you. CFD is getting better all the time, but again, that has to be correlated to reality over time so much more software development is needed. Nick Wirth found out pretty quickly that it isn't good enough yet.

CFD is also dangerously seductive in that it seems to allow you to iteratively put random changes into it that seems to increase the raw downforce numbers, but that is never going to move you forwards. I'm looking at you before this season Williams. What CFD will not do is come up with a philosophy behind a car, where to improve it nor will it come up with all the major ideas, tunnels, exhaust positioning etc. that you see on a car like the Red Bull. It also won't tell you what usable downforce you have on the car. It's entirely possible to blindly increase downforce and slow the car down because it doesn't have the turn-in responsiveness.

If the McLaren guys who have jumped ship to Ferrari think that raw numbers are going to be their salvation I have a feeling they might be a little disappointed.

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Loic Bigois starts at Ferrari:

http://www.gocar.gr/races/f1/8684,Loic_ ... rrari.html

So it is true?
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It was reported a while ago. As we speak about that that position. These are the areas that report directly to Head of Aerodynamics at Scuderia (pre 2012 structure when Marco de Luca was holding the post):

Head of Aerodynamics
Ferrari SpA - Gestione Sportiva

- Wind tunnel development team
- CFD development team
- R&D
- CFD methodology
- Production (CNC, SLS, SLA)
- Workshop
- Design Office
- Electronics & Systems
- Plant & Maintenance
- Budget & Cost control

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Personally I don't see what Bigois is bringing. The Ligiers/Prosts were pretty stagnant, he presided over a terminal decline in William's history, had a little success at Brawn where it's not clear to me how responsible he was and failed to move Mercedes forwards at all. Just not seeing it to be honest.

As for this weekend, the real worry for Ferrari is if McLaren get in the way of them and Red Bull.

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i read on twitter that we broke the curfew again

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TheGkbrk wrote:i read on twitter that we broke the curfew again
Not to worry! Ferrari have also done that. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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gilgen wrote:
TheGkbrk wrote:i read on twitter that we broke the curfew again
Not to worry! Ferrari have also done that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
He WAS talking about Ferrari though
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Forza wrote:It was reported a while ago. As we speak about that that position. These are the areas that report directly to Head of Aerodynamics at Scuderia (pre 2012 structure when Marco de Luca was holding the post):

Head of Aerodynamics
Ferrari SpA - Gestione Sportiva

- Wind tunnel development team
- CFD development team
- R&D
- CFD methodology
- Production (CNC, SLS, SLA)
- Workshop
- Design Office
- Electronics & Systems
- Plant & Maintenance
- Budget & Cost control
very interesting and deatiled info. Where did uo get it from, if I may ask?
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gilgen wrote:
TheGkbrk wrote:i read on twitter that we broke the curfew again
Not to worry! Ferrari have also done that. :lol: :lol: :lol:
At Ferrari only one person came early and that's how they broke the curfew. No extra work on the car.

@shelly The info is from Ferrari/di Luca.

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@Forza: You mean that you had the chance to talk with Marco De Luca himself? or is it from linkedin?
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