Scuderia Ferrari 2012

[Lorenzo_Bandini]

Perhaps but Alonso was the fastest in the last sector today, and the last sector is full of slow turn isn't it ?

[shelly]

Fantastic job by the team. Alonso was unstoppable with the medium tyres. For me, only Hamilton could have an answer to Alonso today. I think the F2012, and the Mclaren are as fast as Red Bull in the race, or even slightly faster.

Kudos to Raikkonen then, for winning in an inferior car to the f2012, and keeping his nerves after the sc deleted the 8sec cushion he biult without having any answer.

PS Sorry for the OT - it will end with this post

[Gerhard Berger]

Abu Dhabi wasn't a really a track that suited Ferrari I suppose.
Alonso himself has said that Interlagos is a pretty good track for Ferrari, so maybe they can be challenging for pole there.
Anyone have any clue as to how Austin may suit them?

I found it weird he said that actually. Perhaps he's talking of the possibility of a wet race.

IMO actually the sweeping Austin suits Ferrari better than the mechanical Interlagos. That car isn't too hot n the slow corners as they seem to have bad entry AND exit from slow stuff.

i agree with you. Also add the bumpy nature of the circuit, and i don't think it will be that strong a circuit for Ferrari.

A wet race might help him because it adds a bit of a lottery element which might go in his favour. However, it is worth nothing that Red Bull were no slouches in the wet qualifying sessions of Silverstone and Hockenheim and may be quicker yet at this stage of the season.

[WillN]

In both restarts after the safety car, it was notable that Alonso lost a sizeable amount of time to the car ahead, is this just warm up issues or...?

[Cam]

What surprises me is the way Ferrari change the naming conventions of their F1 cars over the years. When I look at other teams, such as McLaren and Red Bull, their F1 car names are perfectly consistent each year, i.e. RB1, RB2, RB3, RB4, RB5 etc, MP4-23, MP4-24, MP4-25, MP4-27 etc whereas Ferrari goes something like this:

• F 93 A
• 412 T1/T1B
• 412 T2
• F 310
• F 310 B
• F 300
• F 399
• F1-2000
• F2003-GA


• F2001
• F2002
• F2003-GA
• F2004
• F2005
• 248 F1
• F2007
• F2008
• F60
• F10
• Ferrari 150° Italia
• F2012

Its all a bit schizophrenic. When a driver gets into a new car, in the back of his mind he's thinking - evolution = improvement. But there's actually nothing in the name that reflects that. It's almost like they don't want to carry on the name. Now, before all you Scuderia fan boys lynch me, I know the name of the car does not effect its performance. Psychology plays a huge part in any performance, and perhaps this weird approach may be endemic to other areas of the team, which may in fact effect performance.

It just doesn't seem ordered and methodical and I wonder if this little insight may reflect the wider team ethos?

[Mr Alcatraz]

With Alonso still having a sealed lump which should guarantee plenty of pep for the last two races, most importantly @ Interlagos where it can make a difference at altitude; any chance this may affect his engine, fuel level (for running without having to conserve) and gear ratio settings? Thanks in advance for your civil answers.

[raymondu999]

Why would the fresher engine be an extra advantage in Interlagos? Interlagos is at a higher altitude and lower air pressure to most races - would you not have the same percentage difference (relatively) to other engines, but then have a smaller horsepower difference (because everyone is operating at reduced horsepower anyways)

Newer engine = better fuel consumption, better power. Got that
Interlagos = higher altitude & lower pressure, got that.

But I don't get how the reasoning connects to mean that a newer engine is a bigger advantage at Interlagos (than at other tracks)

[Mr Alcatraz]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... /8586.html
I was going by Whimarsh's comments near the bottom of the page I linked (but can't cut) They are near the bottom. Perhaps I have misunderstood them!

[Hail22]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE81kkVZtVI[/youtube]

[Mr Alcatraz]

Why would the fresher engine be an extra advantage in Interlagos? Interlagos is at a higher altitude and lower air pressure to most races - would you not have the same percentage difference (relatively) to other engines, but then have a smaller horsepower difference (because everyone is operating at reduced horsepower anyways)

Newer engine = better fuel consumption, better power. Got that
Interlagos = higher altitude & lower pressure, got that.

But I don't get how the reasoning connects to mean that a newer engine is a bigger advantage at Interlagos (than at other tracks)

Here is my reasoning:
Let us say just for round numbers not necessarily equivalent to interlagos’ altitude.
If the cars have 10% less power at a given altitude,
and an engine has 10% more power due to being new relative to worn engines.
Instead of the newer engine having 109% of the power of the lesser engine, by the fact that all engines are down to 90% total attainable power the higher power engine will be 110% of the lesser engines…..No?
Thanks for your civil reply.

[munudeges]

Its all a bit schizophrenic. When a driver gets into a new car, in the back of his mind he's thinking - evolution = improvement. But there's actually nothing in the name that reflects that.

You're not entirely wrong. Usually when you see something like that it can be symptomatic of the internal state of mind.

[feni_remmen]

What surprises me is the way Ferrari change the naming conventions of their F1 cars over the years. When I look at other teams, such as McLaren and Red Bull, their F1 car names are perfectly consistent each year, i.e. RB1, RB2, RB3, RB4, RB5 etc, MP4-23, MP4-24, MP4-25, MP4-27 etc whereas Ferrari goes something like this:

• F 93 A
• 412 T1/T1B
• 412 T2
• F 310
• F 310 B
• F 300
• F 399
• F1-2000
• F2003-GA


• F2001
• F2002
• F2003-GA
• F2004
• F2005
• 248 F1
• F2007
• F2008
• F60
• F10
• Ferrari 150° Italia
• F2012

Its all a bit schizophrenic. When a driver gets into a new car, in the back of his mind he's thinking - evolution = improvement. But there's actually nothing in the name that reflects that. It's almost like they don't want to carry on the name. Now, before all you Scuderia fan boys lynch me, I know the name of the car does not effect its performance. Psychology plays a huge part in any performance, and perhaps this weird approach may be endemic to other areas of the team, which may in fact effect performance.

It just doesn't seem ordered and methodical and I wonder if this little insight may reflect the wider team ethos?

It's unfortunate that Ferrari's internal naming conventions haven't been used publicly since the 643 of 1991. That car seems to be the only one released with no reference to a public naming convention, though it may have been a Ferrari F191/2.

Here is your list, with what I believe to be the corresponding internal coding, which is pure and logical...

F1/89 - 640
F1/90 - 641
F1/91 - 642
F1/91b - 643
F92A - 644
• F 93 A - 645
• 412 T1/T1B - 646
• 412 T2 - 647
• F 310 - 648
• F 310 B - 648
• F 300 - 649
• F 399 - 650
• F1-2000 - 651
• F2001 - 652
• F2002 - 653
• F2003-GA - 654
• F2004 - 655
• F2005 - 656
• 248 F1 - 657
• F2007 - 658
• F2008 - 659
• F60 - 660
• F10 - 661
• Ferrari 150° Italia - 662
• F2012 - 663

For some reason in about 1991 the internal codes seemed to become the reference code the car was referred to by. I guess this started when people started referring to the 639 in 1988 and then the 640 and 641 in the following years.

Anyway, this years car is the 663 if you would like some continuity...

As for why they seem to name cars on a whim, who knows...

[banibhusan]

Perhaps but Alonso was the fastest in the last sector today, and the last sector is full of slow turn isn't it ?

Yeah but on which lap and tyres? Also have you considered whether Lewis had retired by then or not?

IMO, Lewis would have still been the fastest in S3 if he were able to finish the race. He said in the post race interview that he was cruising and still pulling away from Kimi.

[feni_remmen]

+ I left out the 641/2, and maybe I left out some other fundamental updates, but anyway, I think you can see that internally they have a quite logical naming protocol. It's just the marketing department that is schizoid....

[Cam]

For some reason in about 1991 the internal codes seemed to become the reference code the car was referred to by. I guess this started when people started referring to the 639 in 1988 and then the 640 and 641 in the following years.

Anyway, this years car is the 663 if you would like some continuity...

As for why they seem to name cars on a whim, who knows...

Thanks for the info on the internal codes. I had assumed that something like that would have occurred anyway, simply for filing papers and such, so it's nice to know. Imagine trying to find archival information? That system still fits with being not easy to use, in the sense that you have 2 sets of numbers referencing a car. I doubt the RB8 has a second code (or maybe it does?).

So would Ferrari, at the start of 2012 say to Alonso "here's the 663" or would they say 'here's the F2012"? The fact I'm even questioning the naming lends itself towards being a weird thing to do by a team.