2012 qualifying championship

[PlatinumZealot]

The qualifing championship is like a time attack where points are awarded. The fastest car driver combination over one lap will come out on top.

[clipsy1H]

The qualifing championship is like a time attack where points are awarded. The fastest car driver combination over one lap will come out on top.

yea but if you check vettel he's on 107% so ... he is good in both situation but we also can check Michael and think where he could be without those of problems in first part of the season where car was quite good. (he's on 33% )

[raymondu999]

The most valuable figure for me is the percentage of grid conversion to finishing conversion. It is striking to see the difference in the conversion rates of the team mates. Alonso and Massa both have almost the same conversion rate although in absolute numbers Alonso is head and shoulders above his team mate.

Good catch WB, hadn't noticed that. Been going on for a while, too

[WhiteBlue]

Good catch WB, hadn't noticed that. Been going on for a while, too

I think it says more about Ferrari's qualifying weakness than the drivers abilities. Sure, Alonso qualifies higher than Massa. But they both do better in races and make up the same amount of points relatively.

[Miguel]

Good catch WB, hadn't noticed that. Been going on for a while, too

I think it says more about Ferrari's qualifying weakness than the drivers abilities. Sure, Alonso qualifies higher than Massa. But they both do better in races and make up the same amount of points relatively.

To be honest, the conversion stats of Massa being similar to Alonso emphasizes how Alonso is stronger even in race pace. He's getting 50% more "race points" when starting from already decent positions, while Massa would be more benefitted by retirements or tyre-eating cars than Alonso (at the price of dirty air and increased incident chance on Turn 1).

Anyway, the main point in the table is that, other than McLaren screwing both of their drivers, Grosjean and Maldonado should really start wondering what they're doing wrong in the races. Williams really should have beaten FI this year.

[JimClarkFan]

Good catch WB, hadn't noticed that. Been going on for a while, too

I think it says more about Ferrari's qualifying weakness than the drivers abilities. Sure, Alonso qualifies higher than Massa. But they both do better in races and make up the same amount of points relatively.

To be honest, the conversion stats of Massa being similar to Alonso emphasizes how Alonso is stronger even in race pace. He's getting 50% more "race points" when starting from already decent positions, while Massa would be more benefitted by retirements or tyre-eating cars than Alonso (at the price of dirty air and increased incident chance on Turn 1).

Anyway, the main point in the table is that, other than McLaren screwing both of their drivers, Grosjean and Maldonado should really start wondering what they're doing wrong in the races. Williams really should have beaten FI this year.

Yep there is a bias in how much % you can go up when you are at the back, and there is a bigger drop of for a DNF at the front. As an example, if a person was to qualify on pole the whole season the maximum conversion rate they could get is 100%.

Still very interesting though.

[raymondu999]

Yup, all true.

The point WB (and I myself) were making though, is that both are relatively equal at 150% - which Occam's Razor would suggest that the car is 50% better in the races than in qualifying, relative of course to the opposition. If you get what I'm saying.

[WhiteBlue]

The point WB (and I myself) were making though, is that both are relatively equal at 150% - which Occam's Razor would suggest that the car is 50% better in the races than in qualifying, relative of course to the opposition. If you get what I'm saying.

And if you analyse that it is recently most likely related to the inability to generate downforce with the rear. Massa has said that the Abu Dhabi front wing made 100% of the tunnel improvements where the rear wing gave only 50% of the calculated advantage. We have 18 races done and Ferrari with all their expenditure have not managed to create a DDRS rear wing like Red Bull.

[JimClarkFan]

The point WB (and I myself) were making though, is that both are relatively equal at 150% - which Occam's Razor would suggest that the car is 50% better in the races than in qualifying, relative of course to the opposition. If you get what I'm saying.

And if you analyse that it is recently most likely related to the inability to generate downforce with the rear. Massa has said that the Abu Dhabi front wing made 100% of the tunnel improvements where the rear wing gave only 50% of the calculated advantage. We have 18 races done and Ferrari with all their expenditure have not managed to create a DDRS rear wing like Red Bull.

Has any team other than Red Bull managed to replicate the DDRS of Merc? I thought it was only RBR

[raymondu999]

Post Austin qualifying championship (obviously still without race points)

Hamilton – 321
Vettel – 262
Webber – 212
Button – 167
Alonso – 157
Schumacher – 119
Grosjean – 122
Raikkonen – 119

Maldonado – 105
Rosberg – 98
Massa – 69
Kobayashi – 51
Perez – 39
di Resta – 28
Hulkenberg – 28

Ricciardo – 9
Senna – 3
Vergne – 0

[raymondu999]

Post Austin qualifying championship

Hamilton – 321 (190) – 59.2%
Vettel – 262 (273) – 104.2%
Webber – 212 (167) – 78.8%
Button – 167 (163) – 97.6%
Alonso – 157 (260) – 165.6%
Schumacher – 119 (43) – 36.1%
Grosjean – 122 (96) – 78.7%
Raikkonen – 119 (206) – 173.1%

Maldonado – 105 (45) – 42.9%
Rosberg – 98 (93) – 94.9%
Massa – 69 (107) – 155.1%
Kobayashi – 51 (58) – 113.7%
Perez – 39 (66) – 169.2%
di Resta – 28 (46) – 164.3%
Hulkenberg – 28 (53) – 189.3%

Ricciardo – 9 (10) – 111.1%
Senna – 3 (31) – 1033.3%
Vergne – 0 (12)

[astracrazy]

i.e Hamilton would have this well in the bag

[raymondu999]

He wouldn't have this "well in the bag" - the trophy's already at home! He clinched it several races back.

[astracrazy]

anyone posted to hamiltons twitter to congratulate him

[raymondu999]

Lol. Be my guest mate