2012, minus events out of a driver's control.

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A supporting article for at least some of Hamiltons points losses.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/a ... -hamilton/
Although the nature of F1 makes it impossible to quantify exactly how many points have been squandered through car failures and team mistakes, the below list of examples and considered estimations on likely finishing positions and points losses nonetheless serves as an illustration of how Hamilton’s overall points tally has been severely compromised:

China – Qualifies second but started seventh due to gearbox change penalty. Finishes third. Estimated points loss: three

Bahrain – Running third but following two slow pit stops ends up eighth. Estimated points loss: Eight to ten

Spain – Qualifies on pole but demoted to back of the grid for McLaren fuel infringement. Finishes eighth. Estimated points loss: 21

Monaco – Running third but suffers slow pit stop and loses positions to first Alonso, who stops a lap later, and the even later-stopping Vettel. Finishes fifth. Estimated points loss: Two to five

Europe – Slow pit stop when running third drops him to sixth and behind ultimate race winner Alonso. Spun out on final lap from third after collision with Pastor Maldonado while struggling with tyre wear. Estimated points loss: 15 (based on likely position ahead of Maldonado in closing stages without pit-stop delay)

Singapore – Running first when gearbox fails. Result: DNF. Estimated points loss: 25

Korea – Rear anti-roll bar failure early in race plays havoc with tyre wear. Drops down order from fourth. Result: 10th. Estimated points loss: 11

Abu Dhabi – Leading the race by three seconds when fuel pressure problem grounds car to a halt. Result: DNF. Estimated points loss: 25

Estimated total of lost points: 110 points

Hamilton’s Japanese GP weekend was also hampered by rear suspension problems, although the result he would have achieved with a fully-functioning car is hard to quantity so is left out of the sample. He also had a further DNF in Germany due to puncture damage.

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It's good report IMO. The only thing I am not sure about is you have kept Alonso on 3rd at Spa. If he had made out of La source I hardly doubt he would have finished anything lower than 2nd. Even if Vettel was charging up later, he lost some 3-4 places at the start and by the time he would have caught up with Alonso, it would have been too late. Just my guess.

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banibhusan wrote:It's good report IMO. The only thing I am not sure about is you have kept Alonso on 3rd at Spa. If he had made out of La source I hardly doubt he would have finished anything lower than 2nd. Even if Vettel was charging up later, he lost some 3-4 places at the start and by the time he would have caught up with Alonso, it would have been too late. Just my guess.
Well, part of the reason Vettel lost places at the start was because of the crash.
Vettel caught and left behind Kimi, who qualified ahead of Alonso, so I'd say it's not clear cut.

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How did he count this?

"Spain – Qualifies on pole but demoted to back of the grid for McLaren fuel infringement. Finishes eighth. Estimated points loss: 21"

25 or 18 surely?
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Nando wrote:How did he count this?

"Spain – Qualifies on pole but demoted to back of the grid for McLaren fuel infringement. Finishes eighth. Estimated points loss: 21"

25 or 18 surely?
If he finished 8th, he scored 4, so they're estimating that he would have won, and hence lost 21.

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should have figured that one out myself... thanks.
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Raikkonen had brake problems at Barhein. He would have won without that. Does it count?

edit: alternator failure for Webber in US while he was 3rd

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Lurk wrote:Raikkonen had brake problems at Barhein. He would have won without that. Does it count?
I can't find a source for that, do you have one?
edit: alternator failure for Webber in US while he was 3rd
Good call, I'll add that.

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Mmmh. in fact I didn't find one either, I am surely mistaken then. I only found something about the tyres but it is a setup thing so up to the driver.

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Just found on formula1.com that Button had to retire at Monza due to his fuel system. He was 2nd 7sec behind Hamilton. So 2nd or 3rd place: it depends of Perez overtaking JB.

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Lurk wrote:Just found on formula1.com that Button had to retire at Monza due to his fuel system. He was 2nd 7sec behind Hamilton. So 2nd or 3rd place: it depends of Perez overtaking JB.
Already included.

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Lurk
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Oops, nevermind then.

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Lurk wrote:Just found on formula1.com that Button had to retire at Monza due to his fuel system. He was 2nd 7sec behind Hamilton. So 2nd or 3rd place: it depends of Perez overtaking JB.
Also, Alonso had the problem in qualifying which forced him to start 10th. Otherwise, he was looking good for pole position.

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A tough sell though isn't it? He was looking quick - but what if he had made a mistake on his quali lap? You know what I mean? There's no guarantee of any of that.
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raymondu999 wrote:A tough sell though isn't it? He was looking quick - but what if he had made a mistake on his quali lap? You know what I mean? There's no guarantee of any of that.
Yeh true, it's possible he might have only been 2nd. What's more interesting, is if he started on pole, would he have stayed there? I think the Mclaren's were a bit better with the tyres during the race. It definitely would have been tight between him and Hamilton.