2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

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Could be yes, I assumed Bernie and Monte were standing track side discussing the sound.
my mistake sorry,

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Why cant they make the v6 turbo sound like the insane Audi quattro? That car's engine has the craziest sound i've ever heard. The blown off valve whistle, thunder crackling exhaust, angry L5, turbo hissing just gets everyones attention.

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I've heard rumours that mercedes have done an engine test at rockingham.

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What is the point of a track test at this stage?

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jamsbong wrote:Why cant they make the v6 turbo sound like the insane Audi quattro? That car's engine has the craziest sound i've ever heard. The blown off valve whistle, thunder crackling exhaust, angry L5, turbo hissing just gets everyones attention.
I was under the impression that cylinder amounts are linked sort of.

5 or 10 cylinders
6 or 12 cylinders
8 or 16 cylinders

as far as sounding close to each other. (obviously a 5 or 10 cylinder will sound different but because it´s essentially 2 5 cylinders merged it will share the same traits in the sound)
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WilliamsF1 wrote:What is the point of a track test at this stage?
Mercedes were further along than the ferrari in their engine development. They were doing dyno tests in 2011, the next logical step is to test at a track.

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Nando wrote:I was under the impression that cylinder amounts are linked sort of.

5 or 10 cylinders
6 or 12 cylinders
8 or 16 cylinders

as far as sounding close to each other. (obviously a 5 or 10 cylinder will sound different but because it´s essentially 2 5 cylinders merged it will share the same traits in the sound)
What matters even more is the design of the exhaust system. F1 will be using mono turbos which will pipe the sound of all cylinders into one tail pipe. It is going to increase the effective frequency compared to the V8s. The V8s had only 4 cylinders feeding one tailpipe. The V6s will have all six feeding one tail pipe. Effectively the engine sound will have the same frequency as the higher revving V8s had.
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Even when the proposed rev limit* will be some 6000 revs lower? (i think Renault said in the article they will probably run at around 12 instead of the maximum 15)

*teams own limit
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Nando wrote:Even when the proposed rev limit* will be some 6000 revs lower? (i think Renault said in the article they will probably run at around 12 instead of the maximum 15)

*teams own limit
I did the math for 12,000 rpm and it is still slightly higher in frequency.
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WhiteBlue wrote: What matters even more is the design of the exhaust system. F1 will be using mono turbos which will pipe the sound of all cylinders into one tail pipe. It is going to increase the effective frequency compared to the V8s. The V8s had only 4 cylinders feeding one tailpipe. The V6s will have all six feeding one tail pipe. Effectively the engine sound will have the same frequency as the higher revving V8s had.
this seems to be saying that the early BRM 1.5 litre V8 (8 tailpipes) should have sounded vastly different to the same engine (later) fitted with 2 tailpipes
it did not sound vastly different

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote: What matters even more is the design of the exhaust system. F1 will be using mono turbos which will pipe the sound of all cylinders into one tail pipe. It is going to increase the effective frequency compared to the V8s. The V8s had only 4 cylinders feeding one tailpipe. The V6s will have all six feeding one tail pipe. Effectively the engine sound will have the same frequency as the higher revving V8s had.
this seems to be saying that the early BRM 1.5 litre V8 (8 tailpipes) should have sounded vastly different to the same engine (later) fitted with 2 tailpipes
it did not sound vastly different

:?
Should a V6 with 1 pipe sound like a V12 with 2 pipes?

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Tommy Cookers wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote: What matters even more is the design of the exhaust system. F1 will be using mono turbos which will pipe the sound of all cylinders into one tail pipe. It is going to increase the effective frequency compared to the V8s. The V8s had only 4 cylinders feeding one tailpipe. The V6s will have all six feeding one tail pipe. Effectively the engine sound will have the same frequency as the higher revving V8s had.
this seems to be saying that the early BRM 1.5 litre V8 (8 tailpipes) should have sounded vastly different to the same engine (later) fitted with 2 tailpipes
it did not sound vastly different
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2012/02/ ... -f1-noise/
I do not know the particulars of the BRM but I thought that Saward's pal is most likely from Renault Sport considering where he lives. So that source looked quite ok for me.
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So the sound will have nothing to do with the V6 1.5L bi-turbo engines of the 80s?
I'm dissapointed! That deep and super-bass sound was great! :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mbFRMK3zSk&t=2m28s

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vmZDzD5PCs[/youtube]

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Anyway who cares about the sound, it is the tech that matters

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Then we might as well run electric engines or some other tech.
Sound is definitely part of Formula 1, if they sound like vacuum cleaners then it´s a big disappointment.
(not saying they will)
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