2014 aero regs revert to 2012 regs

[banibhusan]

Well if they decide to suspend the engine rule for 2014, then I doubt we'll see the inception of other manufacturers in the sport. Renault especially has come a long way in the development of the new powertrain and they'll never tolerate all this effort going in waste and they have threatened to pull out if FIA doesn't support this rule change. Also the possible entry of Honda in 2014 with turbo power units would not happen.

That's a quite serious consequence for the sport if I may say.

[Smokes]

I think teams prefer a small performance differentiation rather than a big one as it keeps the viewing figures up and costs down. It all about good business practice these days.

[WhiteBlue]

Although it would be late and some money is already invested in the project, I wouldn't be surprised if they change the engine rules as well, because "el supremo" already said that the new engine "sounds like s**t".

Not very realistic IMO. Bernie has already conceded that the engines must change. The deferment of the "electric in the pitlane" to 2017 was done to appease him. The new turbo engines will come, its irreversible now and has been irreversible since summer. Regulation in the Concord agreement state that engine rule changed have to be published 18 months before coming into effect.

[WhiteBlue]

So much for Lewis' / Merc's hopes for 2014... Static aero regs should see Red Bull continue as the number one team fairly easily...

I don't think the expectations for 2014 were so much based on a potential aero dominance for Merc. It was probably a competitive advantage from the new power units that poeple were contemplating.

I was also looking forward to 2014 to see someone other than Vettel ride away on a Newey creation. Looks like the engines will be the only really difference. We'll see how that turns out....

The new opportunities induced by the power unit changes would probably play into Newey's hand anyway. This should be true weather the residual aero configuration changes or not. His advantage is usually greatest when he can be innovative and dream up another packaging optimum. The 20124 regs would always allow him more liberty in that regard. The question is will Red Bull, Ferrari or Merc have the superior power unit?

[Hobbs04]

Interesting to see how many DRD device we see showing up on the cars. Now with DDRS banned and DRS banned in quali, this is really the only silver bullet left. Scarbs mentioned DDRS could be used to blow many different things, side pods, beam wing, stalling diffuser etc. Mercedes may not have overall package but those Brackley boys like to come up with the loop holes (no pun intended). It might have been something teams wouldn't have invested in but now with the extension of current rules could see a reasonable return on investment.

Another question any benefits from this waste gate exhaust http://mccabism.blogspot.com/2012/01/wa ... users.html

[Neno]

So much for Lewis' / Merc's hopes for 2014... Static aero regs should see Red Bull continue as the number one team fairly easily...

I don't think the expectations for 2014 were so much based on a potential aero dominance for Merc. It was probably a competitive advantage from the new power units that poeple were contemplating.

I was also looking forward to 2014 to see someone other than Vettel ride away on a Newey creation. Looks like the engines will be the only really difference. We'll see how that turns out....

The new opportunities induced by the power unit changes would probably play into Newey's hand anyway. This should be true weather the residual aero configuration changes or not. His advantage is usually greatest when he can be innovative and dream up another packaging optimum. The 20124 regs would always allow him more liberty in that regard. The question is will Red Bull, Ferrari or Merc have the superior power unit?

Neither one, Lotus will dominate next 5 years, you had on begining of last decade mclaren, then ferrari/schumi era, renault/alonso era, couple of --- years, vettel/red bull era, now is era for Lotus or Merc. But bigger chance giving to Lotus because they already have good car, Merc, they already 4 year in f1 and still dont understand tires, they updates dont working i hardly see this team as winners. It's time for Kimi/Lotus era, am sure Renault will make great turbo engine, and Enstone didnt forget make championship cars.

[Timstr]

The WMSC statement seems to have been misinterpreted. The big changes are going ahead according to the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20640255

[raymondu999]

It's by Andrew Benson, so I'd take that with a grain of salt

[astracrazy]

I'm glad they are not slowing the sport down any more. I hate hearing how the current pole lap is x amount slower than last year etc etc. Only in 2014 you would be talking 5-6 secs slower

But i also don't think the rules should stay the same for that long. They should look at rule changes which aim to keep the current speed of the cars but in a different way. By all means make the wings smaller, but allow venturi tunnels or something. (maybe not the best example but hopefully you can see my point)

Shake the rules up by changing the way the performance can be gained.

[WhiteBlue]

It's by Andrew Benson, so I'd take that with a grain of salt

That is always useful to do. But it sounds to me as if Benson was tapping a very good source very close to the rule making action. For instance he was able to quantify the fuel saving targets versus current data.

Currently, cars use about 150kg of fuel (about 195 litres) in a Grand Prix; in 2014, they will be allowed to consume no more than 100kg (130l).

So on average the cars will be carrying 25 kg less weight in form of fuel around. That is a useful improvement.

The changes he reports are very specific and I just want to list them here for comment:
1. High noses will come down from 550 mm to 185 mm. That is a massive change for the safety and for the aerodynamics.
2. Beam wings will be banned. Loss of downforce.
3. Front wings will be narrower by 75 mm each side. Substantial aero impact.
4. Restrictions on front wing end plates
5. Banning of Coanda effect exhaust locations
6. Fuel tanks will be 65L smaller

This will certainly be a very substantial package of rule changes particularly if you consider that the engines will become shorter, the turbo with MGU-H has to fit above the gear box and that the intercoolers have to be placed somewhere.

I think it will be a major shake up particularly for teams that are not very well resourced and do not have the latest and greatest in simulation.

On the engine side we obviously can only speculate who will be ahead in the power and efficiency game. On the chassis side I would be willing to put some money on Adrian Newey coming up with the neatest package. This is something he is incredibly good at.

[bhall]

So, according to Mr. Benson here, what the FIA really said in their press release was: "Changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to 2012 specification [except for front wings, front wing end plates, noses, beam wings, exhaust, etc.]."

I mean, really, the man didn't have the decency to attribute the information in this "article" to even an "unnamed source." He just thinks he sees tea leaves.

This is what I like to call "bullshit."

[Ogami musashi]

I'll wait till i see final 2014 tech regs...

[WhiteBlue]

This is what I like to call "bullshit."

We know you love that moniker..
I'm glad that someone made the effort to report something from the regulation talks. It always helps to have a bit of background information.

[bhall]

We also know that you believe everything you read, no matter what it says, if you're predisposed to believe it. In this case, you get to surround yourself for a few more days in a cocoon of FIA hopes and dreams that something as inherently pointless as motor racing can affect positive change in the real world. Never mind that the author of this article didn't even so much as hint that the information he reported is anything more than a fabrication of his own mind.

Again, I understand perfectly well why you buy it without question. It's easier than thinking for yourself.

[Richard]

We also know that we believe everything you read, no matter what it says, if we're predisposed to believe it..

Please don't make post personal. Is this a better version of your post? We're all guilty of this.

Let he has not sinned cast the first stone ...

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