Yes, it would be nice if some kind soul would keep one post updated with dot points of what has and hasn't changed. The current method of trying to filter all the posts, is a bit difficult.piast9 wrote:So again - which of the provisional aero changes for 2014 were dropped? Is it only the simplification of front wing? Everything else seems to stay - lower nose height, no beam wing, reduced front wing width.
I think I have chosen a wrong wording.Ogami musashi wrote:turbof1 wrote:No. The physical point of rotation is the same as now, the volume is fixed and the relative dimension of lower RW element to upper RW element as well as their minimum radius are fixed and the same than in both previous 2014 draft and current regs.matt21 wrote:
The difference is the DRS-activation.
This means this changes the placement and dimensions of both elements which, because of said fixed volume means the dimensions and AOA are potentially changed.
Yeah i know but if the actual DRS on solution is close to neutral you already achieve effeciency so increasing the max (DRS on) distance between element while keeping the same initial (DRS OFF) position implies you have changes in elements sizes.matt21 wrote:
I think I have chosen a wrong wording.
I meant the difference between the distance of 15 and 65mm between the two sections. This is the difference between DRS off and on.
It will be lifted to 65mm now. The closest distance stays the same. And that distance is measures in any vertical plane which means that this is the smaller distance between parts of the two elements, so i reckon this is not tilting the upper element more (since it already tilts to neutral now) but rather this one will have longer chord.matt21 wrote:AFAIK at the moment they are already lifting the upper element by 50mm while DRS-ON
Blanchimont wrote:The nose is described in article 15.4.3 and is still limited at ~185mm.
15.4.3
An impact absorbing structure must be fitted in front of the survival cell.
This structure need not be an integral part of the survival cell but must be solidly attached to it.
It must have a minimum external cross section, in horizontal projection, of 9000mm² at a point 50mm behind its forward-most point.
Furthermore :
a) No part of this cross-section may lie more than 500mm above the reference plane.
b) The centre of area of this section must be no more than 185mm above the reference plane.
c) No part of this section may be more than 50mm below its centre of area.
And this is why i wrote ~185mm.ringo wrote:Blanchimont wrote:The nose is described in article 15.4.3 and is still limited at ~185mm.
15.4.3
An impact absorbing structure must be fitted in front of the survival cell.
This structure need not be an integral part of the survival cell but must be solidly attached to it.
It must have a minimum external cross section, in horizontal projection, of 9000mm² at a point 50mm behind its forward-most point.
Furthermore :
a) No part of this cross-section may lie more than 500mm above the reference plane.
b) The centre of area of this section must be no more than 185mm above the reference plane.
c) No part of this section may be more than 50mm below its centre of area.
This says the centre of the area, not the top or bottom. Some trickery can still be at play from the teams.
In fact Benson is wrong. He's twisted the regulations for sensationalism. His article says the nose will be 385mm lower, this is not true.