Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

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and to add a little fuel that is what Ross Brawn said about his new recruits before 2012 season and the impact they would make.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97602

No single mention of time needed to gel or transitions-but an already strong technical team with new additions -far from it.

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marcush. wrote:I don´t know why a Formula1.com online publication should be more valuable than a printed interview with the man himself.
So you think Formula1.com where talking to an impressionist? #-o
It was an interview with Brawn himself.
marcush. wrote:I don´t want to have anyone sacked - I just believe in responsibilities and one should stand up for his doings .Respect for Haug .He realised and took his hat(and a suitcase filled with money ,I´d guess).
Who cares what Haug did or did not get, that is just another attempt at invalidating this operation.
The man gave 22 years service to Mercedes and got it right more times than he got it wrong. If you can keep your head above the parapet for that amount of time you deserve a decent severance package.

And hold your line about Bell if you so choose. I will hold mine as is my entitlement.
Bell in charge of the engine group still means he is a TD, just with a more focussed brief.
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Any way...Lauda appears to be trying to ruffle some feathers.

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/niki-lau ... day-plans?
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FoxHound wrote:Any way...Lauda appears to be trying to ruffle some feathers.

http://www.f1today.net/en/news/niki-lau ... day-plans?
Maybe he will actually do some good?
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I'm a bit sceptical about that dren.

Maybe you are right. Personally I never worked well with some old fart looking over my work all the time. Taking away holiday time to "improve the team" as Lauda puts it, will have a negative effect on morale.
But then there is always the possibility that some of the staff where on a permanent vacation there anyway.

If it all comes good for Mercedes in 2013(doubtful), Lauda will get undeserved plaudits IMO.
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You know how this forum has a low threshold for diver debates ? Its because they end like this...

- Driver x is run by 11 year olds
- No, he's going to beat everyone next year
- You're forgetting that on 23 March 1997 he cut the corner at Margate kart tack
- He's a dead donkey
- Mods ban this person he's flogging a dead donkey!
- Is he? How much? I once paid £3 2s 1d for a dead donkey back in 1923 when I was testing a gearbox with my friend Carl Benz.


the Merc team thread has suffered from a similar level of bickering. For the 2012 season we moved the Merc dead donkey flogging into the debating abyss in the faint hope that the team thread would stay on topic. I see dead donkeys are returning and this thread is reported nearly every day.

So this thread is locked in the interest of moderator sanity. It'll be unlocked if there is some genuine team news abut Merc. Send a PM to the "Moderators" if you think you have found news to merit reopening this thread. It had better be good.

Otherwise this thread will have a long rest until the start of the season.

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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/form ... 36101.html

Brawn looks to have hit it on the head once more, with the departure of Loic to Ferrari and a change of exhaust setups in order to "compete" with other teams seemed to hurt Mercedes.

Once more as I said back in February 2012, I hope as a Ferrari enthusiast but also as a Formula 1 "purist" that the might of the Silver Arrows can shine once more!
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Hail22 wrote:http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/form ... 36101.html

Brawn looks to have hit it on the head once more, with the departure of Loic to Ferrari and a change of exhaust setups in order to "compete" with other teams seemed to hurt Mercedes.

Once more as I said back in February 2012, I hope as a Ferrari enthusiast but also as a Formula 1 "purist" that the might of the Silver Arrows can shine once more!
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I hear what Ross Brawn is saying but I'm not believing him 100% :wtf: :shock: :? :roll: I'm glad the excuses are over. :| It's time for some decent results. :twisted:

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Brawn's reasoning comes off as being sincere to me, but also expected. It's the same thing year after year. At least the W03 was initially somewhat quick. Let's hope the W04 is quick out of the gate. Then we'll see if they can keep up development. I expect dejavu this time next year though.

There are only two things constant in life: Brawn's year end excuse for underperforming and the locking of this thread.
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My new mercedes family members are very pessimistic :wink:
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dren wrote:Brawn's reasoning comes off as being sincere to me, but also expected. It's the same thing year after year. At least the W03 was initially somewhat quick. Let's hope the W04 is quick out of the gate. Then we'll see if they can keep up development. I expect dejavu this time next year though.

There are only two things constant in life: Brawn's year end excuse for under-performing and the locking of this thread.

Development game is a bit iffy. As good as Lotus are, with it's prestigious factory background, even they looked ordinary when compared to the top 3 for development. And Lotus is much better established than Merc, well Merc as we knew it anyway.
Mercedes may be able to bring updates at a much faster rate in 2013, but i doubt they can mirror a ferrari or mclaren with the efficacy of the upgrades.
I believe 2010 saw lotus' best development year, lots of front and rear wing work on that yellow car, but they didn't seem to bring the big steps the other top teams were making with theirs.

We'll see what approach is made to having effective upgrades approved, manufactured and sent out into the field, and if it's going to be a case where they can make enough for both drivers.

They have a mountain to climb if they truly want to be top rung.
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ok... now that this thread is reopened..
i'll post this here..
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Wm7SiJRoo[/youtube]

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A good piece on Mercedes and what to expect in 2013 by James Allen.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/01/w ... this-year/

A fair few points that are clear and concise.
Mercedes’ F1 team ownership adventure was predicated on the Resource Restriction Agreement being more effective
This was always the case for Mercedes having their own team. I think most people expect the RRA to have some teeth, but as it transpires, was toothless and was always bound to be. But the point is, Mercedes hope it to would be more effective.
According to Bild, Mercedes-Benz puts €60-80 million into the team annually, roughly half the €150m annual budget
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This translates into what Mercedes where paying McLaren each season. Their total cost of F1 involvement has not gone up whith the purchase of the team. But with Haug gone and Lauda in the seat of go-between, it is rumoured their is a higher budget should the team require it.
But the disappointment so far isn’t all down to budget; the technical team has not performed effectively to produced a consistent front-running car.
I think we can all agree with the above.
That said, they went through quite a few upheavals on the wind tunnel and other infrastructure projects last year, the team now has many state-of-the-art facilities
Again I think MOST people would agree this hampered Mercedes last year, particularly the second half.
Above all, it needs its aerodynamics team to raise its game and design a more competitive car from the outset. Operationally Mercedes are at a good level, if they have the car to work with. If they can prove that, then perhaps a bigger budget will follow.
James Allen feels Mercedes are good at an operational level now. With all the changes in staff and equipment over the last 3 years, I would like to agree with him, but will wait and see what happens in the first 6-7 races before making final judgement as to what effect the changes have had.

Overall, there are reason to be cautiously optimistic. No Bigois, 60% wind tunnel and new technical structures.
Let's see where it leads, but I have a feeling Mercedes are gearing for 2014 and using 2013 as a stepping stone to bigger things.
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They still have to have a solid car to build on.
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