McLaren MP4-28 (pre-launch speculation)

[turbof1]

Lotus actually was the best non-coand exhaust car. I think we'll see many features copied from it.

[wesley123]

Lotus actually was the best non-coand exhaust car.

It was because it was the only one for a few races. The pace of the car was impressive, but not fastest(for example the Red Bull without Coanda would have been faster, as well as for the McLaren)

[Neno]

Lotus actually was the best non-coand exhaust car.

It was because it was the only one for a few races. The pace of the car was impressive, but not fastest(for example the Red Bull without Coanda would have been faster, as well as for the McLaren)

I think you are wrong Red Bull whithout coanda system would be slower, not sure for Mclaren.
Red Bull always had diffirent philosophy of car, making car stabile on rear with downforce, sacrificing top speed for downforce. Reason they used coanda/tunnel system is precisly this, they didnt had good performances of best car on beginning of season.

Mclaren in other case from beginning was constructed with coanda system, they from beginning stuck with that and that
didnt change in season. they problem was their low nose,
and flow around sidepods, when they changed that in hockenhaim they gained almost 0.3 second.

Lotus played on safe option with their regular exaust, they were afraid, same thing like 2011 will happend to them if they start experimenting with exaust. but unlike 2011, E20 was probably best car all-round car with mclaren car, so
even coanda exaust worked, they probably suprise themself, so when they saw coanda working they decided to push in that direction. Win in Abu Dhabi was their award, but am sure if they changed their exaust earlier in hockenhaim like mclaren, they could make serious fight for championship, maybe even on end have couple of wins.

[wesley123]

I said the Red Bull without the Coanda was was faster than the Lotus.

First of all, it is easy to say that 'The lotus was the fastest non-coanda car' when it was the only one at a point in the season. If the McLAren didnt run with the coanda they would be faster, as would the Red Bull be. Also the Ferrari was faster without the coanda exhaust early season.

Also I doubt they would have won more if they had introduced the coanda earlier. The addition of the coanda exhaust for Lotus improved not that much, and their position didnt improve nor decrease.

To say that they could possibly fight for the championship is far fetched too, they were never contenders for the championship, not at a single point in the season. Their Abu Dabhi win was a lucky one, and that they kept that close in the standings was rather because of misfortune of the 3 teams in front of them.

[KATO]

Can we talk about the MP4-28 please..


Look two new articles on the MP4-28>>

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/Une- ... 54397.html


I don't know what it says but it's on the MP4-28..THis is ALSO on the MP4-28 and I also have no idea what they are saying..


http://www.blogf1.it/2012/12/30/mclaren ... la-mp4-28/

Sorry/also thank you if anyone translates.. Thank you-!!

[raymondu999]

I said the Red Bull without the Coanda was was faster than the Lotus.

I agree. See non-Coanda red Bull in China.

[Huntresa]

I said the Red Bull without the Coanda was was faster than the Lotus.

First of all, it is easy to say that 'The lotus was the fastest non-coanda car' when it was the only one at a point in the season. If the McLAren didnt run with the coanda they would be faster, as would the Red Bull be. Also the Ferrari was faster without the coanda exhaust early season.

Also I doubt they would have won more if they had introduced the coanda earlier. The addition of the coanda exhaust for Lotus improved not that much, and their position didnt improve nor decrease.

To say that they could possibly fight for the championship is far fetched too, they were never contenders for the championship, not at a single point in the season. Their Abu Dabhi win was a lucky one, and that they kept that close in the standings was rather because of misfortune of the 3 teams in front of them.

You can apply that to everything, i mean Alonso wouldnt have been as close in the standings if Vettel hadnt broken down etc etc. I would say Lotus deserved its 3rd place spot, would prob been higher if lets say Alonso sat in Kimis place.

[aral]

Can we talk about the MP4-28 please..




Sorry/also thank you if anyone translates.. Thank you-!!

First of all, I agree with prime comment. This thread has been hi-jacked!

Re second comment.... click on the GB flag on the reference page, and it will come up in english.

[onewingedangel]

All rumours so far seem to be the same for all teams - taking what are presumed to be advantages from the current cars and incorporating them.

So McLaren are 'rumoured' to have a higher tub (with covered step nose), pull-rod front-suspension, Red Bull-style rear-suspension and passive DRS.

Chances are at least some of these features will be on the MP4-28. Same for RB9, F2013, E21 and W04. All teams will add beneficial features from rivals designs - no surprise there.

In short, it's safe to say there is little or no information leaked from Woking at this time and it's purely speculation being repeated from report to report.

[KATO]

I see.... Thank you very much-!

Well if the MP4-28 is going to be set to be completely more advanced and not just an evolution.. I could see Button (whom the MP4-28 is being designed for) do very good next season. They will bring in elements from the paddoc and fix failing ones and probably show up with some new ones..

What I mean is by adding all the others team components the '28' compared to the '27' will be so much more developed..
And I assume McLaren will bring something new..

They will according to the article add this to the '28's bag of tricks> simply listed as follows;
Ferrari Suspension
RedBull backside
Lotus high pointed nose or rather keep.

Well if McLaren adds this to the MP4-28 they will make a beast of a car. If not they should fix their existing problems and just add those things I especially like the small wing that conditions the airflow right above the pods those look pretty effective but I also wonder of the other teams will add this. Sauber has it.. So everyone will enhance their platform with the others innovations what will set them apart if they do will be how effectively they build it and the weight of it all also the quality of the craftsmanship and precision I know Williams is obsessed with precision like no other.. So when all the teams do this will the key be balance??

Also which of these features benefit yore lead driver will button drive better with a pullrod suspension??
Now I'm beginning to feel that if all the teams just enhance their cars with each others components it will be more about these components and the afinity of the drivers and their driving style toward them..

Which is how it should be I think the 2013 season with the engines changing next season with the teams not wanting to put too much into this one might make it a year where it's the driver not the cars that wins it.. So good luck Vettel with a tighter packed field it will be upto the drivers more then it was this season.. If the MP4-28 can PLEASE not fail I think Button can win the Championship next season and I wouldn't be surprised if Perez won either... But this whole last section feels like nonsense so please just analyse this one question if you wish to: Would all of these components together make for a heavier car and would they or wich ones will suit Button better-??

[beelsebob]

Well if the MP4-28 is going to be set to be completely more advanced and not just an evolution.. I could see Button (whom the MP4-28 is being designed for)

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What I mean is by adding all the others team components the '28' compared to the '27' will be so much more developed..

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And I assume McLaren will bring something new..

[citation needed]

Well if McLaren adds this to the MP4-28 they will make a beast of a car.

[citation needed]

[NathanOlder]

Surely if the 28 was going to be soooo much better than the 27, would Lewis have left ? It may be better, it may not, but i dont expect it to be a dominant car. Mclaren havent built one of those since 98 in my opinion. Even then it went to the last race.

[KATO]

Well if the MP4-28 is going to be set to be completely more advanced and not just an evolution.. I could see Button (whom the MP4-28 is being designed for)

[citation needed]

What I mean is by adding all the others team components the '28' compared to the '27' will be so much more developed..

[citation needed]

And I assume McLaren will bring something new..

[citation needed]

Well if McLaren adds this to the MP4-28 they will make a beast of a car.

[citation needed]

Really you need all that I was mainly talking about the article above and Jenson saying he would be working with the Engineers and not Perez also it's kind of assumed like some one else said that they should take in elements from the other teams..

[dren]

I expect the MP4-28 to be an evolution with very little differences from the 27. The sidepod area and exhaust will likely see some differences to improve the exhaust. I don't think they will go the Red Bull ramp route. The nose probably will be higher, since they didn't max out this area to the regulations with the 27. I don't expect them to run a passive DRS device.

[beelsebob]

I expect the MP4-28 to be an evolution with very little differences from the 27. The sidepod area and exhaust will likely see some differences to improve the exhaust. I don't think they will go the Red Bull ramp route. The nose probably will be higher, since they didn't max out this area to the regulations with the 27. I don't expect them to run a passive DRS device.

I find it interesting that it's getting referred to as the red bull ramp... It was sauber that came up with this.