Mercedes AMG F1 W04 (pre-launch speculation)

[timbo]

And if we look to where williams was in 2011, i would say they were most improved and they demonstrated that any team can come good in a year's time. So i wont sleep on Mercedes. I'm looking out for them to be challengers.

Not sure about that. We've seen many episodes in the past when a middle-end team jumps just around where the top teams are, sure. But with a stable regulations mounting a challenge for the ultimate top requires some gradual year-to-year improvements. I would think that it is likely that next year will be closer, so a driver factor can play in their advantage if Lewis has a great year, but I doubt they can produce out and out best chassis. OTOH 2014 can be a break year for them.

[NathanOlder]

Whats all this about Newey ? The guys only won 3 of the last 14 constructor titles. Not all he's cracked up to be maybe ?

1) 5, not 3 – 1998, 1999, 2010, 2011, 2012, that's a 35% hit rate at winning championships, and given that he deliberately chose to join a team that was starting from scratch, it's even more impressive.
2) 14 is an odd place to cut it off. Why not choose 15, or 13? If you'd chosen 22, it would have been 9 out of 22 WCC cars designed by him, or 40% – even more impressive.

3 in 14. Fact buddy. 99-2012 is 14 seasons. and 99 Ferrari won that title. 3 in 14 is correct. More to the point it was only a sarcastic quote, I am fully aware of how good Mr Newey is, as is everyone on this forum. I was just pointing out that 3 in 14 doesnt seem as good as it should be maybe ?

[NathanOlder]

nope Mika Hakkinen won in a McLaren in 1999 in the MP4/14 designed by (drum roll) Adrian Newey

They were talking about WCC.

Exactly , As the designer of a car, you would imagine he/she will be more satisfied with a Constructors title. plus a constructors title shows how good the car really was. In other words, if its just a drivers title, people wouldnt bang on about the designers and how great the car was. Perfect example would have been if Alonso had won the title this year not many people would be saying how great Pat Fry's F12012 was.

Anyway, Back to topic. Sorry for the recent off topic quotes

[allstaruk08]

nope Mika Hakkinen won in a McLaren in 1999 in the MP4/14 designed by (drum roll) Adrian Newey

They were talking about WCC.

ahhh my bad lol, well he still designed a championship winning car lol

[stefan_]

Twitter (reliable) sources: Mercedes will launch the W04 on February 4 at Jerez.

[Mika1]

Twitter (reliable) sources: Mercedes will launch the W04 on February 4 at Jerez.

It's true, I can't wait.

[Richard]

Anyway, Back to topic. Sorry for the recent off topic quotes

Yes please! Subsequent posts have been deleted.

By the way this is only the speculation thread and it is hard to stay on topic when the subject of the topic hasn't been seen yet. So its inevitable that the conversation will stray. There will be much stricter moderation on the proper car threads.

[_Orfeu_]

Eu sinto que eles podem dar um salto e estar no topo.
Olhe no ano passado para Williams. Muitos havent notado, mas que o carro era um challenger, um cavalo negro como o lótus.
Esse carro era muito melhor do que o carro de 2011. Havia muitas raças que o carro poderia ter sido ganho. Então, eu acredito que qualquer time pode dar um grande passo com um carro. Tudo o que precisamos é o culminar de idéias corretas. Uma vez que você sabe o que está fazendo, você não precisa colocar tanto tempo em testes e iteração, limitando o seu progresso.
Williams de 2012 foi prejudicada pela qualidade dos pilotos que tinham. Ele nem sequer precisa de drivers Top Rank para torná-la melhor.
um botão ou Massa teria vencido mais corridas com o carro, ou arrebatou mais pódios.
E se olharmos para onde Williams foi em 2011, eu diria que eles eram mais melhorou e eles demonstraram que qualquer equipa pode vir bem a tempo de um ano. Então, eu não vou dormir em Mercedes. Eu estou olhando para fora para que eles sejam adversários. Eles têm a equipa e, mais importante que ter uma das mais real motoristas. Eles têm um driver que você simplesmente não pode duvidar, você tem que duvidar do primeiro carro. O motorista é um aspecto muito fundamental, não pode ser afirmado enough.Williams com Alonso ou Hamilton no ano passado teria sido olhar completamente diferente. Ross estava certo em suas escolhas de engenheiros e motorista. O condutor é a única coisa que Newey não tem jurisdição sobre. Newey não pode colocar 2 e 2 juntos nessa. Na verdade Horner e maior ameaça de Newey nos últimos dois anos foi um motorista. Empregando esse driver para pilotar o seu carro é de fato muito inteligente. Redbull não pode desenvolver a você sobre esse aspecto do carro.


Perfect!

[clipsy1H]

_Orfeu_ , grow up!!! and stop be a fanboy here!!! btw; only english.


back on thread..... i think it's a mistake for Mercedes to reveal car at Jerez ! with a guy like Hamilton they can have a show at launch ... something like w01.

DAMN !! i love photo game !!!last year was amazing

[matt_b]

They probably just want to maximise every day possible to making the car the best it can be, no team wants to reveal their hand first, but sponsors give some teams no choice but to make it a big public event.

[clipsy1H]

They probably just want to maximise every day possible to making the car the best it can be, no team wants to reveal their hand first, but sponsors give some teams no choice but to make it a big public event.

like last year ...... you can't change anything in few days just few plates..... i want a sneak peek!!

[wesley123]

A fan is something different than a fanboy, and you are one of the latter

[wesley123]

EDIT: nvm I was a bit late

[Gridlock]

back on thread..... i think it's a mistake for Mercedes to reveal car at Jerez ! with a guy like Hamilton they can have a show at launch ... something like w01.

Just out of curiosity, do we now believe that Mercedes delayed the W03 launch to 'hide things', as I believe they claimed at the time, or because they were late?

[jav]

If I'm not mistaken, there were spy shots of the car on a filming day almost a week before the official debut. I think the car was as ready as any for pre-season testing.