Ferrari F138

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Crabbia wrote:
Javert wrote:How much time they have gained over F2012?
hard to tell but its definitely over 9000.
haha very funny Capn Ginyu :P id give you rep for being funny but my power level is only 900 :P hehe

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korzeniow wrote:What is this bulge?

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Something to do with their implementation of DRD maby?
I can see a tunnel running all the way down to either the gearbox, or its feeding more air to diffuser . or its a DDRS

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can anyone confirm what they mean by their single control unit that was meant for 2014, but has been installed early?
weren't Mclaren doing this for all the teams for at least 4 seasons already? or have ferrari , got the licence to build ecu's for all the teams? I would think Magnetti Marelli would do that??
Does this mean Ferrari have their own ECU again. or what does that mean??

edit found the bit. it was in the Tech Specs page

As for the electronics, it is worth noting the introduction, ahead of schedule, of the single control unit that will be used in 2014. This has involved a lot of work to integrate and control all its features in terms of both software and hardware.
In keeping with a Ferrari tradition, much time has been dedicated to the performance and improvement of the materials used, at the design stage of each of the six thousand or so components which make up the car, in order to make all the on-track work more effective and efficient. Obviously, quality control remains a vital aspect, with the aim of achieving the highest levels of performance and reliability, at the same time as maintaining the highest safety standards possible.

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seinfeld wrote:
korzeniow wrote:What is this bulge?

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Something to do with their implementation of DRD maby?
I can see a tunnel running all the way down to either the gearbox, or its feeding more air to diffuser . or its a DDRS
It was there last year :)

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amouzouris wrote: ..the reason Ferrari's exhaust exit and semi coanda ramp is higher than the one on the McLaren is so that the flow below it does not stagnate and induce drag...
My feeling is that this has also to do with their extremely high nose and the amount of air they seem to try to get under the nose and around the sidepods. A too obstructive ramp/too small 'tunnel' in the cokebottle area might eliminate the benefits of this high nose design. Seems too me they opted for more cokebottle/air around the lower side of the sidepods and maybe a tiny bit less 'blown diffuser'.

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henra wrote:
amouzouris wrote: ..the reason Ferrari's exhaust exit and semi coanda ramp is higher than the one on the McLaren is so that the flow below it does not stagnate and induce drag...
My feeling is that this has also to do with their extremely high nose and the amount of air they seem to try to get under the nose and around the sidepods. A too obstructive ramp/too small 'tunnel' in the cokebottle area might eliminate the benefits of this high nose design. Seems too me they opted for more cokebottle/air around the lower side of the sidepods and maybe a tiny bit less 'blown diffuser'.
the higher nose is to get more air under the car as the splitter directs the airflow below the floor...

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amouzouris wrote:the higher nose is to get more air under the car as the splitter directs the airflow below the floor...
Well, not all of the air -- it's called "splitter" for a reason. Some of the air goes under the floor and some -- over it and around the sidepods. To get underfloor working efficiently you want to have good quality air above as well as below it.

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timbo wrote:
amouzouris wrote:the higher nose is to get more air under the car as the splitter directs the airflow below the floor...
Well, not all of the air -- it's called "splitter" for a reason. Some of the air goes under the floor and some -- over it and around the sidepods. To get underfloor working efficiently you want to have good quality air above as well as below it.
i don't disagree but taking a closer look at a splitter and the leading edge of the floor you will realise how MOST of the air is directed below the floor..the barge boards and front wing are mostly responsible for the airflow around the sidepods

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I think ferrari's approach is slightly different from the McLaren - and perhaps more pertinently - the Sauber (because of the shared technology).

Ferrari have clearly gone for that very tightly-packaged, Williams-influenced rear end, and there's a big empty area behind the engine cover where previously there was bodywork.

It seems as if they're unable to have such small/undercut sidepods, possibly as a result of their other solutions, but there are other areas where they seem to have an advantage - seems to be more room for air under the nose and sloping down to the diffuser.

Time will tell which is better, but I'm sure Fry and co. have understood which works better with what they're attempting.

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amouzouris wrote:i don't disagree but taking a closer look at a splitter and the leading edge of the floor you will realise how MOST of the air is directed below the floor..the barge boards and front wing are mostly responsible for the airflow around the sidepods
I'm with @timbo on this. The air that gets to the upper side of the tray and to splitter is mostly directed to the sides and then to a significant degree around the sidepods. The tray and floor adjacent to it will prevent much of the spill to the underside of the sidepods

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Hmmm, the coke bottle area looks a little "messy" compared to last year. They've cleaned up the ducting etc. and properly integrated the exhaust this time, but that transition area just doesn't look right. The McLaren has much smoother bodywork all the way back, something Red Bull have been doing for the last few years. The Sauber is similar, nice smoother lines all the way to the rear axle, but the Ferrari has a very noticeable step.

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It's because that's what they are using as cooling outlets, I guess... You mean the bodywork around the exhaust and what comes after it... Cause bellow that everything is pretty smooth.
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The nose looks amazingly beautiful.... it seems like from 2009 ferrari had the biggest sidepod compared to other (top) teams

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are there any other benefits from the vertical radiators other than the slimmer rear end?

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I admit that I want to speculate just as bad as you all do. This offseason has been killing me. The fact is (and most of you know this) we wont know who has the true speed (or know the real layout/bodywork) until Melbourne. Testing hasn't always been revealing when it comes to who is on top, etc. The only thing we have to look forward to at Jerez is new parts on the cars, which like I said could change once we get to Melbourne.
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