2013 Testing - Barcelona 1: 19 - 22 Feb

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Juzh wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
Bredd wrote:Maybe but vettel went back to that a-spec car and still ended up nowhere. 11th-12th I think he qualified.
Of course not. The A-spec wasn't a championship winning car in China. It had been neglected and collecting dust for months while others developped. But at the state of testing, everyone was saying the McLaren and the A-spec Red Bull were the title fighters. It was clearly a championship contender in testing, but others developped the car between Testing and China. The A-spec RB8 got none of that.

Or did you really expect that the A-spec Red Bull had a month's worth of development over the others in terms of a cushion when testing happened?
Did newey's solution to EBD ban in 2012 get banned during testing or prior to it? I cant remmember.
prior it, if i remember just before first test, because on first test they drived conventional exaust and for second they already had coanda exaust.

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Combined times: Barcelona (1) pre-season test

1. Sergio Pérez / McLaren / 1:21.848 / 174 laps / Soft
2. Fernando Alonso / Ferrari /1:21.875 / 283 laps / Soft
3. Nico Hülkenberg / Sauber / 1:22.160 / 179 laps / Soft
4. Romain Grosjean / Lotus / 1:22.188 / 160 laps / Soft
5. Sebastian Vettel / Red Bull / 1:22.197 / 150 laps / Soft
6. Nico Rosberg / Mercedes / 1:22.611 / 162 laps / Medium
7. Kimi Räikkönen / Lotus / 1:22.623 / 87 laps / Medium
8. Pastor Maldonado / Williams / 1:22.675 / 178 laps / Soft
9. Lewis Hamilton / Mercedes / 1:22.726 / 173 laps / Hard
10. Valtteri Bottas / Williams / 1:22.826 / 189 laps / Soft
11. Jenson Button / McLaren / 1:22.840 / 141 laps / Hard
12. Adrian Sutil / Force India / 1:22.877 / 78 laps / Soft
13. Mark Webber / Red Bull / 1:23.024 / 172 laps / Medium
14. Jean-Éric Vergne / Toro Rosso / 1:23.366 / 186 laps / Medium
15. Daniel Ricciardo / Toro Rosso / 1:23.718 / 143 laps / Medium
16. Paul di Resta / Force India / 1:23.971 / 144 laps / Medium
17. Max Chilton / Marussia / 1:25.115 / 241 laps / Soft
18. Esteban Gutiérrez / Sauber / 1:25.124 / 129 laps / Hard
19. Jules Bianchi / Force India / 1:25.732 / 96 laps / Medium
20. Giedo van der Garde / Caterham / 1:26.177 / 133 laps / Soft
21. Charles Pic / Caterham / 1:26.243 / 151 laps / Medium
22. Felipe Massa / Ferrari / 1:27.553 / 80 laps / Medium
via gpupdate.net
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So if each compound softer is worth 0.500 Lewis was the fastest over the week? On a longer run if I remember correctly. Dont worry though, im fully aware that testing means nothing.
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raymondu999 wrote:
Bredd wrote:Maybe but vettel went back to that a-spec car and still ended up nowhere. 11th-12th I think he qualified.
Of course not. The A-spec wasn't a championship winning car in China. It had been neglected and collecting dust for months while others developped. But at the state of testing, everyone was saying the McLaren and the A-spec Red Bull were the title fighters. It was clearly a championship contender in testing, but others developped the car between Testing and China. The A-spec RB8 got none of that.

Or did you really expect that the A-spec Red Bull had a month's worth of development over the others in terms of a cushion when testing happened?
I'm with you but the point I am making don't take their word as gospel. Distinctly remember quite a few of them writing off the mclaren and when that b spec red bull came out proclaiming it was 2011 all over again. And fapping over the slot in the step.

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NathanOlder wrote:So if each compound softer is worth 0.500 Lewis was the fastest over the week? On a longer run if I remember correctly. Dont worry though, im fully aware that testing means nothing.
Yes indeed – I covered this earlier, we can establish that the Merc is capable of a 1:21.0 on softs, if pirelli are accurate in asserting 0.5 seconds between the compounds, because lewis did another 7 laps after that, and each lap's worth of fuel is worth 0.1 seconds.

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Not to be too pedantic about it all, but might be more accurate to say that the tires are capable of 1:21.0. Perhaps the car and driver are as well. :wink:

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Pup wrote:Not to be too pedantic about it all, but might be more accurate to say that the tires are capable of 1:21.0. Perhaps the car and driver are as well. :wink:
Huh? Last I checked, the tyres aren't capable of moving at all. The car, driver and tyre combo is what's capable of it. :roll:

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So it's a pedant contest then, is it? :lol:

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Pup wrote:So it's a pedant contest then, is it? :lol:
That's pedantry contest!

:P :lol:

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Since the beginning of the tests we hear that Jerez is an unusual track, high degradation, temperatures and layout unlike any track they use during the season. In short: not very useful. So forgive me for asking the obvious: why test there at all?!

I know it's F1 where teams can't agree on anything and simplest problems are turned into a joke, like for example young drivers test or car for Pirelli to test the tyres. Where most things are driven by inertia but still. What is the "official" explanation?

The answer that they need two different tracks makes no sense when one of them is not useful. Costs? I don't think so. Weather? How? Better to have three days in Barcelona than four in Jerez. What else?

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iotar__ wrote:Since the beginning of the tests we hear that Jerez is an unusual track, high degradation, temperatures and layout unlike any track they use during the season. In short: not very useful. So forgive me for asking the obvious: why test there at all?!
Because testing can still tell you a lot of things – like whether air is flowing to the places you expect it to flow, whether suspension is reacting the way you expect it to, whether the gearbox blows up 3 laps short of a race distance, ...

Note – the last test, and next is in fact at the Circuit de Catalunya, which is very like a circuit they race at during the year ;)
The answer that they need two different tracks makes no sense when one of them is not useful. Costs? I don't think so. Weather? How? Better to have three days in Barcelona than four in Jerez. What else?
They do need multiple kinds of track – the Circuit de Catalunya is the single most high speed downforce biased circuits on the calendar. They need circuits that test low speed things too.

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beelsebob wrote:They do need multiple kinds of track – the Circuit de Catalunya is the single most high speed downforce biased circuits on the calendar. They need circuits that test low speed things too.
They should just replace Jerez with Aragon or Valencia unless they have an even worse track surface. Or they could have the first 2 tests at Catalunya and the final one in Australia just before the first race of the season.

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Taking spy pictures of the opponents' cars during winter testing - Lotus style.

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Why he even bothers to take photo with this low resolution camera, when the team can buy hi-res pics from photofraphers?
It's been a long time since we drove last time, but it has also been a short time at the same time
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have you seen images from that area that close up or in such situation? I have not. I think my point is clear
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