Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

[Anon123]

Don't forget that Paddy is doing nothing until 2014 and he won't have any real influence until 2015 season. That might just be long enough for Brawn and might just be the succession planning Brawn spoke of just playing out..

That would be a great way for Brawn to leave F1 if he did it on a high and started something special, I wanted Mercedes to succeed because I'm a Hamilton fan but now I want them to even more.

[flmkane]

I wouldnt get rid of the guy who brought in Lewis Hamilton, Aldo Costa, Geoff Willis and Bob Bell.

Ross Brawn is great at building a team.

Indeed. And you have to go a long way back to see Mclaren win a constructors trophy

But Ross has said he would prepare the way for his exit. So all the signs are pointing at 2014. So one last chance for some glory for the big guy.

By contrast Brawn GP won both titles only a short time ago.

I would sincerely hope that Mercedes does not get rid of Brawn. The management and engineering structure needs time to get stable. And it it must be remembered that during the Shumacher era, stability was key to Ferrari's success.

[kooleracer]

I wouldnt get rid of the guy who brought in Lewis Hamilton, Aldo Costa, Geoff Willis and Bob Bell.

Ross Brawn is great at building a team.

Indeed. And you have to go a long way back to see Mclaren win a constructors trophy

But Ross has said he would prepare the way for his exit. So all the signs are pointing at 2014. So one last chance for some glory for the big guy.

By contrast Brawn GP won both titles only a short time ago.

I would sincerely hope that Mercedes does not get rid of Brawn. The management and engineering structure needs time to get stable. And it it must be remembered that during the Shumacher era, stability was key to Ferrari's success.

Try to convince a German organisation to take things easy. That the main difference between western-Europeans conducting business and southern-Europeans doing business. Germans are result based if the want something they put all there effort in and expect results right away. Mercedes haven't produced results the last 3 years in my eyes the board has given Brawn and is team a lot of time to convince them that he is the right man for the job. This year is crucial for Brawn or maybe he is already crucified.

F1 is a sport but also a business in business hard decisions are made everyday. Brawn's report score would a 5/10 at best in the eyes of the board. So that means sacking a finding a new person to lead the squad. With Wolff, Lauda and now Lowe you can expect Brawn and Fry leaving the squad in the near future. Lauda will replace Fry and Wolff replacing Brawn. Lowe will get Brawn role but i can't Mercedes giving him the role as team principle. In my eyes Brawn made the wrong decisions by sticking with Bigois and also leaving it to late to upgrade the Aero department. The board of Merc knows how Wolff turned around Williams's dreadful form since he got involved. That is what German boards like instant results and Toto Wolff did that at Williams. The board expect the team to win the WDC or the WCC in 2014, thats why they are pouring in the money at the moment. Hamilton,Wolff,Lowe,Renovation Aero department, budgeting 2 design teams.

Conclusion:

Brawn has failed didn't meet the target so him getting the sack isn't surprising at all. The W03 should have been a title contender and it wasn't the target was winning the WDC or WCC in 3 years.

[OppositeLock]

Ross Brawn has worked some magic to keep his team in the game and was vindicated by taking the drivers and constructors title in 2009. Hiring Schumacher may have been his downfall. At the moment he is just another employee of Mercedes.

[flmkane]

If you all think that Mercedes were trying to win the title for the last 3 years your crazy.

Now what I'm about to say is not necessarily in defense of Brawn, but what I believe to have been mercedes plan.

2010, and empty shell of a team produced a car which was barely an evolution of the BGP-001. Focus was on rebuilding the team instead of developing the car, which still yielded podiums.

2011. A car was made, still under the constraints of a very disorganized team, which ended up going in a bad direction in terms of design. No excuses there. The team correctly focused on the next year and upon continuing to rebuild itself.

2012. The car was good out of the box. Won a race, could have won maybe one or 2 more podiums and definitely more points, were it not for chronic unreliability, which mainly affected MSC. However, the car turned out to be a developmental dead end. Focus shifted entirely upon bringing the aero department up to date and to the 2013 car.

Not to to mention that they have spent the last 3 years poaching talented engineers from around the paddock. Lets not forget that the team has been integrating itself with the engine department. We have no idea what kind of talent they have hired for the engine. Furthermore, they have secured Lewis Hamilton.

2010,2011,2012 were years of rebuilding the decimated Honda team. If that was Mercedes plan, then they have definitely succeeded.

I think the fans should calm down a bit. This team is not run by a bunch of monkeys. That would have been HRT. The people in charge have years of experience, lots of success and know what they are doing. Engineers of the caliber of Aldo Costa and Paddy Lowe would not join a joke of a team.

[munudeges]

For the umpteenth time, Mercedes bought Brawn in 2009 on the clear expectation that they had bought a winning team. They did not anticipate a three, five year or any other plan you can pull out your ear.

Lest we forget, this was the richest team on the grid at the end of 2009 by their own accounts.

[Richard]

What we do know is that 2009 was a one off fluke for a mid ranking team that reverted to a mid ranking team in the following years.

What we don't know is whether Merc were so gullible that they did not realise what was going on. Maybe they did realise but saw Brawn GP as a convenient way to set up their own team and divorce McLaren.

We have a special thread about this topic, please direct your posts there ... http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... =3&t=13178

[mantikos]

For the umpteenth time, Mercedes bought Brawn in 2009 on the clear expectation that they had bought a winning team. They did not anticipate a three, five year or any other plan you can pull out your ear.

Lest we forget, this was the richest team on the grid at the end of 2009 by their own accounts.

Ha - if you think they were richer than McLaren and Ferrari I need some of that good stuff you are smoking.

[Forza]

Mercedes non-exec chairman Niki Lauda: to PA: "I cannot officially say anything because nothing has happened yet... If Paddy Lowe is coming or not, I cannot tell you now. Make up your own (mind), whatever you want to do. McLaren have put him (Lowe) on gardening leave so let's wait and see. Ross has not even been discussed, which is important. But there's peace. Ross is in his position, he will stay in his position, so everything is under control."

[WhiteBlue]

It looks to me that Ross Brawn is living on borrowed time. He just isn't prepared to face the reality. He will be replaced with Lowe as soon as the gardening leave is over. The buck stops at his desk as much as it did at Norbert Haug's. They did not get it together and next year will be the time to call it a day and evacuate the place for someone else to try and create a faster car.

[RAF]

If they replace Brawn it's not like he's going to jump ship to another team, he's to old for that now.
Mercedes are hiring top people like money is water. What better way to win in F1 than to starve every other F1 team of talent wether it be from Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari etc. Even if they are on gardening leave they cannot work for the opposition.

[ringo]

There is enough room in the team to keep brawn.
He just has to take a back seat, maybe be sporting director like Sam Micheal. It wouldn't be wise to sack him. He's the substrate for the whole team.

He can give the team principal job to Lowe, and find some other less important role.

However to be Honest, Lowe strikes me as a man who likes his technical work, i think chances are Brawn could remain team principal if Lowe finds more fulfillment in the donkey work.

[munudeges]

Brawn is going, pure and simple. This year will effectively be a write-off as a result. You can't have someone at the top who knows he won't be there. You can't demote him to Sporting Director or whatever silly job title you want to give that position. Way too much friction involved.

Brawn simply hasn't been and isn't up to the job. Some of us have been saying that for years now.

[wunderkind]

I honestly don't know what Lowe can contribute to the team outside of the design and engineering fields. Taking Lowe out of design and engineering is just not the right thing to do.

Brawn was/is a good race strategist and a decent manager of resources and most importantly, he's on the same wavelength as Bernie and Todt.

[munudeges]

Ha - if you think they were richer than McLaren and Ferrari I need some of that good stuff you are smoking.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2010/09/14/braw ... t-in-2009/

http://www.pitpass.com/42149-The-truth- ... rd-revenue

Brawn GP had more money flowing into its coffers last year than Red Bull, McLaren and Renault yet it didn't have a car manufacturer or a billionaire backing it.