2013 Testing - Barcelona 2: 28 Feb - 3 Mar

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21636430
James Holman: "What a lap time by Hamilton! Is that Merc really that quick?"

Tim: "Could Mercedes have found the fundamental design flaw in their 2012 car? Certainly the way to make up the gap to the rest."

Andy Noakes: "Hamilton's pole lap at Barcelona last year was a 1.21.7 - nearly a second slower than his quickest this morning!"

he,he everybody is surprised :D, and Hamilton set this time in 5 lap stint

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About laps as an argument, I think Ferrari can't count then. Someone from them the internet should help them and tell them how many more laps than Alonso Massa had. Yet they're splitting the final two days, imagine that.

I bet Mercedes, Ferrari, McLaren and others are having a very good laugh at Lopez/Permane decision making process (and at Allison too). It's so close near the top and half a day already wasted. I assure you they're not laughing for the first time.

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HAM: 1:20:558

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New benchmark 1:20.558 now on soft

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He just did a 1:20:588 :shock:

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Nando wrote:
beelsebob wrote:The most we know is that it's significantly quicker than last year's car (at least 2.8 seconds quicker) around Barcelona.

We can probably extrapolate a bit more from that – we know the top teams tend to gain about 1-1.5 seconds a lap between years, so we can reasonably say that the Merc is likely right up there with the top teams, but probably not ahead of them.
I think new tires are playing quite a big role in that performance jump too.
Has anyone estimated how much the new tires contribute?
I don't know but I believe the softest tyres are half a second faster than last year but of course this year the loss of DDRS and highly flexible wings should slow down the top teams.

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Anon123 wrote:I don't know but I believe the softest tyres are half a second faster than last year but of course this year the loss of DDRS and highly flexible wings should slow down the top teams.
Thanks, yea and not to mention the lack of DRS everywhere like last year.
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Anon123 wrote:
Nando wrote:
beelsebob wrote:The most we know is that it's significantly quicker than last year's car (at least 2.8 seconds quicker) around Barcelona.

We can probably extrapolate a bit more from that – we know the top teams tend to gain about 1-1.5 seconds a lap between years, so we can reasonably say that the Merc is likely right up there with the top teams, but probably not ahead of them.
I think new tires are playing quite a big role in that performance jump too.
Has anyone estimated how much the new tires contribute?
I don't know but I believe the softest tyres are half a second faster than last year but of course this year the loss of DDRS and highly flexible wings should slow down the top teams.
Add to that, restricted usage of DRS to the extent of only on start/stop straight.

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prince wrote:Add to that, restricted usage of DRS to the extent of only on start/stop straight.
But again, we don't know if the teams are respecting this in testing or not. It may be that Hamilton had his DRS open all over the place. That would make a valid comparison to last year's pole time, but not really set a benchmark for this year.

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beelsebob wrote:
prince wrote:Add to that, restricted usage of DRS to the extent of only on start/stop straight.
But again, we don't know if the teams are respecting this in testing or not. It may be that Hamilton had his DRS open all over the place. That would make a valid comparison to last year's pole time, but not really set a benchmark for this year.
From the live action that I have been watching for 2 days now, it is very clear that teams are not using it anywhere other than the main straight. Only one time that I watched a car opening DRS, other than on main straight, it was a marussia.

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lewis 1 20 5

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lewishamilton90 wrote:lewis 1 20 5
yep. on softs!

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beelsebob wrote:
prince wrote:Add to that, restricted usage of DRS to the extent of only on start/stop straight.
But again, we don't know if the teams are respecting this in testing or not. It may be that Hamilton had his DRS open all over the place. That would make a valid comparison to last year's pole time, but not really set a benchmark for this year.
No one would do that because that isn't valuable data for this year. Whats the point testing things that aren't legal for this season. Destroying 1 set of soft tires because of that isn't really smart.
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Lotus seem to breaking down on every other lap, the Mclaren drivers don't understand their car, Ferrari have evolved a dog with wind tunnel problems and Red Bull have evolved their car which relied heavily on it's DDRS to qualify well at the back end of 2012. I don't want to get my hopes up for the W04 but things aren't looking bad. 8)

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Anon123 wrote:Lotus seem to breaking down on every other lap, the Mclaren drivers don't understand their car, Ferrari have evolved a dog with wind tunnel problems and Red Bull have evolved their car which relied heavily on it's DDRS to qualify well at the back end of 2012. I don't want to get my hopes up for the W04 but things aren't looking bad. 8)
don't jinx it mate :-)