Mercedes AMG F1 W04

[NathanOlder]

You guys are forgetting a couple of things. It doesn't always matter who has the fastest car or the most downforce.

Wow! I never expect to hear this, but Mercedes fans always suprise me. Downforce is everything, if tires are crap, they can pitstop 100 times in race but if they will go 100 times faster trough corners ITS WORTH IT!
RB6 showed that, that car didnt have any special "care" for tires, they did usualy end up with one more pitstop in race then others in beggining but that car was flying, Sory i will always take downforce, instead of "carrying tires". I am sure Perez would rather drive last year Red Bull then Sauber.

Wrong, reliability is everything. Otherwise you don't finish the race.

Correct, as every fan in the Uk knows (thanks to Murray) "To finish first, first you must finish"
Doesnt matter how much downforce you have!

[user001]

besides rear downforce, brawn was quoted, that merc made, compared to the w03, various changes to the front and rear axis alignment and suspension. the w04's suspension was designed in order to make possibly needed changes regarding and aiming tyre degradation in the future more easy and handsome.

i haven't cross checked all cars besides the red bull and merc but i've noticed from the very beginning compared to w03, that the suspension has a bigger "hole" in which it is mounted to the monocoque as you can see on the following pictures of w04 and this years red bull and mclaren.

proof me wrong, it's just a sentiment of mine that a bigger hole vertical as well as horizontal gives the engineers more space to set up.

imho it's not only the whole itself that matters in terms of setup possibilites it's also the distance or "gap" you have between the hole and the suspension poles.

look at the mclaren. on the front suspension there can be seen nearly no gap or "hole" which tells me they have a much stiffer suspension or another clue i'm not aware of.

i would really appreciate if someone could enlighten me.

[BlackMercedes]

besides rear downforce, brawn was quoted, that merc made, compared to the w03, various changes to the front and rear axis alignment and suspension. the w04's suspension was designed in order to make possibly needed changes regarding and aiming tyre degradation in the future more easy and handsome.

i haven't cross checked all cars besides the red bull and merc but i've noticed from the very beginning compared to w03, that the suspension has a bigger "hole" in which it is mounted to the monocoque as you can see on the following pictures of w04 and this years red bull and mclaren.

proof me wrong, it's just a sentiment of mine that a bigger hole vertical as well as horizontal gives the engineers more space to set up.

imho it's not only the whole itself that matters in terms of setup possibilites it's also the distance or "gap" you have between the hole and the suspension poles.

look at the mclaren. on the front suspension there can be seen nearly no gap or "hole" which tells me they have a much stiffer suspension or another clue i'm not aware of.

i would really appreciate if someone could enlighten me.

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Mclaren problem has always been set up issues need to be spot on for button to compete. Suspension wise they have always run stiffer setup suits their car less rake than the Merc and redbull. Merc followed the redbull approach in opening the set up window so the car is competitive at most races where mclaren are good at some circuits

[heho07]

Mercedes is the only team with semi coanda exhaust that their exhaust duct (place behind last 10 cm exhaust pipe) is parallel to car center line (as i shown with yellow line) just like RBR,Lotus and Willams`s exhaust ducts.

[mclaren_mircea]

I know that the thread it is not here, but on testing forum I didn't received a clear answer. Is it true that Rosberg used the DRS everywhere and Alonso only on the 2 straight? There are reports that shows the contrary. What difference can make? We have to assume that Alonso used the DRS like Rosberg on the two long straights, and here we shoul have parity. Other sections of the circuit have a lor of medium and slow corners with a lot of braking points, so the difference shoul be minimal.

P.S. Don't delete my message because only here I can receive an answer. Thanks.

[bonjon1979]

I know that the thread it is not here, but on testing forum I didn't received a clear answer. Is it true that Rosberg used the DRS everywhere and Alonso only on the 2 straight? There are reports that shows the contrary. What difference can make? We have to assume that Alonso used the DRS like Rosberg on the two long straights, and here we shoul have parity. Other sections of the circuit have a lor of medium and slow corners with a lot of braking points, so the difference shoul be minimal.

P.S. Don't delete my message because only here I can receive an answer. Thanks.

There's no evidence to suggest that Rosberg used it 'everywhere'. in fact there's a suggestion that it could only be used in the drs zones as per race day last year. No one knows for sure but I wouldn't worry too much about it

[yener]

Tried my best to find better pictures but this is what i could find.

1. You can see Ferrari have moved their rear wing more backwards compared to the w04. I think this will create more load on the rear. The downforce amount wont change, but this way it will pust the car more to the ground.

2. Ferrari exhaust blows wide with an angle of i guess around 15 degrees. The exhaust position is directly on the tyre. AMG on the other hand have choosen to position the exhaust towards to the diffuser and partly to the inside of the tyre. On the part of the floor you can see that the diffuser and perhaps te brakeduct is the way they wanted the exhaust gauses to be.

3. Rear suspension. As you can see both Ferrari and Mercedes have choosen for a similair geometry. But the RBR has another angle. It goes outside. Some on can explain?

[beelsebob]

3. Rear suspension. As you can see both Ferrari and Mercedes have choosen for a similair geometry. But the RBR has another angle. It goes outside. Some on can explain?

You've not highlighted the rear suspension there – you've highlighted the drive shaft on the RBR

[mantikos]

Tried my best to find better pictures but this is what i could find.

1. You can see Ferrari have moved their rear wing more backwards compared to the w04. I think this will create more load on the rear. The downforce amount wont change, but this way it will pust the car more to the ground.

What on earth...how would moving a wing create more load? Are you talking about the moment around the CoG?

[beelsebob]

Tried my best to find better pictures but this is what i could find.

1. You can see Ferrari have moved their rear wing more backwards compared to the w04. I think this will create more load on the rear. The downforce amount wont change, but this way it will pust the car more to the ground.

What on earth...how moving a wing create more load? Are you talking about the moment around the CoG?

He's talking about the rear wing being on the end of a longer lever, and hence potentially applying a larger force to the rear wheels.

He's also wrong – it's simply a case of the photo having been taken from further forwards on the car. In all cases the rear wings align with the rear wheel centre line.

[turbof1]

http://www.clickboost.nl/interesting.jpg

Tried my best to find better pictures but this is what i could find.

1. You can see Ferrari have moved their rear wing more backwards compared to the w04. I think this will create more load on the rear. The downforce amount wont change, but this way it will pust the car more to the ground.

2. Ferrari exhaust blows wide with an angle of i guess around 15 degrees. The exhaust position is directly on the tyre. AMG on the other hand have choosen to position the exhaust towards to the diffuser and partly to the inside of the tyre. On the part of the floor you can see that the diffuser and perhaps te brakeduct is the way they wanted the exhaust gauses to be.

3. Rear suspension. As you can see both Ferrari and Mercedes have choosen for a similair geometry. But the RBR has another angle. It goes outside. Some on can explain?

All 3 are aimed at the (sealing of the) diffuser. Ferrari's exhaust point outwards, but airflow is aimed in such a way that it redirect the exhaust plume inwards. Mercedes on the other hand "straightens" the flow with the bodywork before the exhaust bulge (you can see it has a u-shape in it). Red Bull just uses a big ramp to completely seal the exhaust gasses from any influences apart from the downwash. I think the biggest gain from first pointing it away from the diffuser is that you'll get less interference with the airflow around the sidepod, but it takes away a bit of energy out of the exhaust plume.

[siskue2005]

http://www.clickboost.nl/interesting.jpg

Tried my best to find better pictures but this is what i could find.

1. You can see Ferrari have moved their rear wing more backwards compared to the w04. I think this will create more load on the rear. The downforce amount wont change, but this way it will pust the car more to the ground.
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the angle of the picture causing optical illusion, the ferrari pic is not straight from top like the Merc's pic

[wesley123]

He's also wrong – it's simply a case of the photo having been taken from further forwards on the car. In all cases the rear wings align with the rear wheel centre line.

This. It is even part of the rules.

[Joie de vivre]

http://www.clickboost.nl/interesting.jpg

Tried my best to find better pictures but this is what i could find.

1. You can see Ferrari have moved their rear wing more backwards compared to the w04. I think this will create more load on the rear. The downforce amount wont change, but this way it will pust the car more to the ground.

2. Ferrari exhaust blows wide with an angle of i guess around 15 degrees. The exhaust position is directly on the tyre. AMG on the other hand have choosen to position the exhaust towards to the diffuser and partly to the inside of the tyre. On the part of the floor you can see that the diffuser and perhaps te brakeduct is the way they wanted the exhaust gauses to be.

3. Rear suspension. As you can see both Ferrari and Mercedes have choosen for a similair geometry. But the RBR has another angle. It goes outside. Some on can explain?

Man, what the hell? All of the pictures are taken from completely different angle. Ferrari moved RW backwards? For real?

[BlackMercedes]

Have to say the redbull rear suspension looks complicated sophisticated lol Ferrari and especially Merc is quite simple and straight forward