2013 Australian GP - Albert Park

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Ferraripilot wrote:Anyone have the link showing all lap times and comparisons? I want to say it's on Mclaren's website only I cannot find it.....
It´s this one you mean? An "unofficial" mclaren website,

http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page ... UYP6RxhVsM

head to head etc.
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A sublime driving and strategy from Raikkonen and Lotus. I was expecting them to be the second fastest behind RedBull. They are better than what I expected apparently. =D>

Mercedes was weaker than I expected.

And I have to say McLaren was exactly where I expected them to be. Neither the fastest car nor the drivers. :?

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siskue2005 wrote:The leaders werent stuck behind Sutil, infact Sutil was pulling 2 to 3 sec gap from Vettel at one point
Alonso pitted early and that is what allowed him to overtake Sutil otherwise Sutil had similar pace to front runners

And you said Kimi saved the tyres in the second stint by having sutil ....but thats not what happened he did 25 laps in the second stint and also on his third stint without any saving as such ( and also post race Kimi said they were on 2 stopper from the begining)

Ferrari and RBR could only do a 15- 17 lap stint on their medium tyres

Imagine what pace he could have had , if he was on a 3 stopper
It was no secret that Vettel could not keep up with Sutil at one point, but we dont really know how much life he or the Ferrari's lost sitting in the hot air of that Force India. As for the Ferrari's, they were stuck behind the slowing Vettel. When Alonso came out with fresh mediums, he was around 1 to 2 seconds quicker than the Lotus, doing 29's while Kimi did 31's. I had my eyes printed to the livetiming.

The fact that Kimi knew before hand that he was going to do a two stopper simply enforces my point. He conserved his tyres from the start until the end, where as the other three's goal was to go as fast as possible to make the three stop work. They were forced to go Kimi's pace due to being suck at the slower Force Indias laptimes, without the benefit of conserving tyres.

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We will know more about the tyre wear of the Merc in Malaysia, but the first stint on the SS was pretty impressive.
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raymondu999 wrote:
f1316 wrote:On a more car-related point, the great thing for Ferrari is the Melbourne shouldn't have played to their strengths; the Lotus and RB were supposed to have much better traction, which is pretty important at that track, and the Ferrari's strength (from last year's car and Barca testing appearances) seemed to be high speed corners, not to mention top speed was high too.
To be frank, we don't have enough to conclude this yet. Who knows? Maybe the Ferrari has the best traction in long run form. Maybe they have rubbish fast corner pace in long run form. Maybe it didn't have better traction than the RB - it just kept its tyres intact for longer in today's cold conditions, which in turn gave them better traction. We just don't know.
No we don't you're right, but it was the general perception from testing - with Alonso himself saying that the Ferrari's weakest points were braking and traction. I also think it's fair to say they've probably built on the strengths of last year's car, one of the main ones being how it dealt with high-speed corners. But of course we don't really know from this race alone.

And to answer my own earlier question, Alonso's out lap after the second stops was over a second faster than either Massa's or Vettel's.

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lewis 33.1 after 13 lap on the supersoft...lotus,ferrari and red bull 34.5 after 6,7 lap...this is incredibile...the team must understand why the car with the medium was not very well

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Mika1 wrote:We will know more about the tyre wear of the Merc in Malaysia, but the first stint on the SS was pretty impressive.
Actually it wasn´t.
Compared to Kimi the first 8 laps he lost:

Lap 2 - 8 tenths
Lap 3 - 6 tenths
Lap 4 - 5 tenths
Lap 5 - 9 tenths
Lap 6 - 1,3 seconds
Lap 7 - 1,1 seconds
Lap 8 - 5 tenths

Hamilton pitted 4 laps later so subtract some pace for trying to keep the tires alive but keep in mind both teams had a 2 stopper as a goal at the start.

That´s not impressive in my book. Car was quite terrible on SS and high fuel load frankly.
The last couple of laps (Hamilton having pitted way way later) Raikkonen took 1 second per lap in the last couple of laps.
And that was with 8 laps older tires. And mediums at that.

Really the only car you could say he had a better last stint then was Vettel but he had slightly older tires.
But absolutely nothing on the Lotus and Ferrari cars.
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siskue2005 wrote:The leaders werent stuck behind Sutil, infact Sutil was pulling 2 to 3 sec gap from Vettel at one point
Alonso pitted early and that is what allowed him to overtake Sutil otherwise Sutil had similar pace to front runners

And you said Kimi saved the tyres in the second stint by having sutil ....but thats not what happened he did 25 laps in the second stint and also on his third stint without any saving as such ( and also post race Kimi said they were on 2 stopper from the begining)

Ferrari and RBR could only do a 15- 17 lap stint on their medium tyres

Imagine what pace he could have had , if he was on a 3 stopper
Last two stints of alonso were 19 laps each, he pitted earlier on second pit to overcome Sutil but I am sure he could have done two stops and match Raikonen last two stints of 25 and 24 laps. Also last stint of vettel was 21 laps, so I think RBR and Ferrari are capable of doing more laps than 15-17, they did three stops upon circumstances. Alonso called second stop earlier to come out on clear air and overcome Massa, Vettel and Suttil and Vettel and Massa responded his move.

Webber last two stints were 20 laps each and last stint of massa 22 laps. I think Raikonnen from the beggining was commited to two stops strategies, while ferrari and RBR were looking into each other not taking risks. But if the three of them would have play their cards to two stops from the beggining, something that it is possible looking at the laps from their stints, the result would have been other.

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WhiteBlue wrote:It was an interesting race. Congratulations to Kimi and Lotus for a great tyre strategy and flawless race execution. Lotus and Ferrari seem to profit most from the unusually cold conditions. They have less tyre wear than Red Bull. Under such conditions it is obviously a bigger advantage than having top downforce. But I'm not sure this is going to continue when they come to hotter races. The pendulum could swing back to Red Bull. Whatever the reason it provided for an entertaining race although I agree with Mark Webber that the super soft isn't F1 worthy. Sutil made a nice start to his race and collected many leading laps for Force India only to practically waste away on the options in the end. Nevertheless a good result for FI to beat McLaren with both cars. For Macca it was the race from hell. They look to have a bit of egg on their face at the moment. It is a bit like Ferrari last year. They need to urgently get their act together with part development and find the right set ups. Lewis will be glad he made the jump to Merc at the moment. I'm curious how that will shape up over the season.
Let's hold off on our judgements re the SS tyres until some hot weather running. They didn't seem so bad on Friday practice on the RB cars and I think they are very susceptible to graining in cold conditions.

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The tire wear looks very good so far, great first stint from lewis but it looked like they couldn't switch the mediums compound on.
Ill wait a few races to make my mind up on overall pace, the mercs do look like they start heavier than some of the other cars around them.

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Redragon wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:The leaders werent stuck behind Sutil, infact Sutil was pulling 2 to 3 sec gap from Vettel at one point
Alonso pitted early and that is what allowed him to overtake Sutil otherwise Sutil had similar pace to front runners

And you said Kimi saved the tyres in the second stint by having sutil ....but thats not what happened he did 25 laps in the second stint and also on his third stint without any saving as such ( and also post race Kimi said they were on 2 stopper from the begining)

Ferrari and RBR could only do a 15- 17 lap stint on their medium tyres

Imagine what pace he could have had , if he was on a 3 stopper
Last two stints of alonso were 19 laps each, he pitted earlier on second pit to overcome Sutil but I am sure he could have done two stops and match Raikonen last two stints of 25 and 24 laps. Also last stint of vettel was 21 laps, so I think RBR and Ferrari are capable of doing more laps than 15-17, they did three stops upon circumstances. Alonso called second stop earlier to come out on clear air and overcome Massa, Vettel and Suttil and Vettel and Massa responded his move.

Webber last two stints were 20 laps each and last stint of massa 22 laps. I think Raikonnen from the beggining was commited to two stops strategies, while ferrari and RBR were looking into each other not taking risks. But if the three of them would have play their cards to two stops from the beggining, something that it is possible looking at the laps from their stints, the result would have been other.
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this shows the total amount of laps done on a particular set of tyres
interesting to see that Lewis and Alonso started on an older set softs than others
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off topic, but what's the assassins creed logo haha?

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ell66 wrote:The tire wear looks very good so far, great first stint from lewis but it looked like they couldn't switch the mediums compound on.
Ill wait a few races to make my mind up on overall pace, the mercs do look like they start heavier than some of the other cars around them.
I am under the same assumption.....perhaps their coanda exhaust consumes more fuel...afterall, they're sort of the new boys on the block in that area.

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ajdavison2 wrote:off topic, but what's the assassins creed logo haha?
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