2013 Australian GP - Albert Park

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Vasconia wrote:
Mika1 wrote:
About the race in general, it was quite intensive and interesting, Pirelli is playing a major role in this "new" F1, which is not good but at least races are interesting. Lotus confirmed its excellent use of the tyres and tremendous pace, I was expecting to see RB struggling a little bit but the problems were bigger than expected, which is good for the battle.
This is hardly 'new' for F1. Actually, it's brilliant and a throw back to the 80's (minus the unreliability of cars) when the great tyre preservers like Prost would just keep in touch with the fast chargers initially and then get ahead in the final part of the race.

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Redragon wrote:
siskue2005 wrote:The leaders werent stuck behind Sutil, infact Sutil was pulling 2 to 3 sec gap from Vettel at one point
Alonso pitted early and that is what allowed him to overtake Sutil otherwise Sutil had similar pace to front runners

And you said Kimi saved the tyres in the second stint by having sutil ....but thats not what happened he did 25 laps in the second stint and also on his third stint without any saving as such ( and also post race Kimi said they were on 2 stopper from the begining)

Ferrari and RBR could only do a 15- 17 lap stint on their medium tyres

Imagine what pace he could have had , if he was on a 3 stopper
Last two stints of alonso were 19 laps each, he pitted earlier on second pit to overcome Sutil but I am sure he could have done two stops and match Raikonen last two stints of 25 and 24 laps. Also last stint of vettel was 21 laps, so I think RBR and Ferrari are capable of doing more laps than 15-17, they did three stops upon circumstances. Alonso called second stop earlier to come out on clear air and overcome Massa, Vettel and Suttil and Vettel and Massa responded his move.

Webber last two stints were 20 laps each and last stint of massa 22 laps. I think Raikonnen from the beggining was commited to two stops strategies, while ferrari and RBR were looking into each other not taking risks. But if the three of them would have play their cards to two stops from the beggining, something that it is possible looking at the laps from their stints, the result would have been other.
Alonso wasn't sure he could have done two stops at all. Granted, we don't know for sure if he meant within the context of how the race panned out with traffic etc, but his statement was simply "We couldn't do two stops". And that was borne out when his tyres stopped performing 4 laps before the end despite having started 5 laps after Räikkönen's. I mean, any traffic he had in that stint, was the same traffic Räikkönen had passed as well. That's 9 laps difference and still Räikkönen had life left in his tyres.

I think it's a bit weird that people conclude the Ferrari was the quickest car on race pace when none of Alonso's 3 medium tyre stints were as fast as Räikkönen's 2 on average. Again, some of the Ferrari's ultimate pace might have been hidden behind Vettel/Sutil but if there was much more, it wasn't enough to overtake either of them. So, perhaps the Ferrari's 2 medium tyre stints might have been a little bit faster than the Lotus' 2 the way Räikkönen was driving, but as he showed at the end, he definitely had pace in hand as well.

It's a good thing Ferrari has a good car this year, it bodes well for at least a decent fight this season - maybe even a 3-way fight if Lotus can get some 1-lap speed in the car - in the (hopefully temporary) absence of McLaren. But on this day, on this track, Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.

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Tamburello wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
Tamburello wrote:I don't think there's much between them on the mediums, and Vettel cooked his supersofts in qualifying, so was struggling as a result in the first stint. Track position counts for some of the difference on the mediums and Mark did a 30 lap stint on them.
Huh? Webber did a 5-lap supersoft stint, 13 laps on a medium, then 2 20-lap medium stints. I don't see a single 30-lap stint there
I thought he did a stint from the 20th to 50th laps but you are right probably though it doesn't change anything from the argument really.
Well it does mean he might not have been able to go the pace he was going at if he hadn't done that extra stop.

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Nando wrote:
Jackuar wrote:I'm not sure with the numbers for Hamilton, but I distinctly remember that Alonso topped the chart for a while. I was watching online. The trap read 308+kmph for him. Couldn't get the final charts.
http://www.formula1.com/results/season/ ... _trap.html

ALO was 4th quickest,
Those are the qualifying speedtraps, in the race Hamilton and Rosberg were way down the list.

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Re: 2013 Australian GP - Albert Park

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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Re: 2013 Malaysian GP - Sepang

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Tamburello wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Mika1 wrote:Yes, but they have to improve race pace.
I'm not sure they were so far off as they seemed – remember, they were trying for a 2 stop at aus, and conserving tyres.
...and couldn't do it!
Where was Rosberg when he retired? Was it looking like he could make it?
Honda!

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Ral wrote: Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.
it was the fastest car
but not by far

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Re: 2013 Malaysian GP - Sepang

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Tamburello wrote:
beelsebob wrote:
Mika1 wrote:Yes, but they have to improve race pace.
I'm not sure they were so far off as they seemed – remember, they were trying for a 2 stop at aus, and conserving tyres.
...and couldn't do it!
So? What about that implies that they weren't driving significantly slower than they would have had they planned for a 3 stopper?

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Ral wrote:But on this day, on this track, Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.
Agreed - the question is - how representative is that day and that track of what is to come...

[and did RBR underperform the car by much?]

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motobaleno wrote:
Ral wrote: Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.
it was the fastest car
but not by far
It was - Raikkonen pretty much stated he was just taking it easy half the time.

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motobaleno wrote:
Ral wrote: Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.
it was the fastest car
but not by far
Ignoring pace in hand, because we can't quantify that and don't know how driving faster in turn would have affected tyre life, 12.4s + making up 5.8s deficit after the start and passing Hamilton is quite far.

[edit] That works out to on average 0.326s per lap faster than Alonso from lap 3 onwards. I would (and did) say that qualifies as "by far".
Last edited by Ral on 18 Mar 2013, 19:50, edited 2 times in total.

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kilcoo316 wrote:
motobaleno wrote:
Ral wrote: Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.
it was the fastest car
but not by far
It was - Raikkonen pretty much stated he was just taking it easy half the time.

well, actually I'm not so convinced by raikkonen... :wink:

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kilcoo316 wrote:
motobaleno wrote:
Ral wrote: Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.
it was the fastest car
but not by far
It was - Raikkonen pretty much stated he was just taking it easy half the time.
His comment on "easiest victory in his carrer" pretty much confirm he had fastest car and he wasn't pushing all the time on track.I am so sorry to be the one to tell you this, but take your time. This must be very hard news to hear to.

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Ral wrote:
motobaleno wrote:
Ral wrote: Räikkönen's Lotus was the fastest car in the race. By far.
it was the fastest car
but not by far
Ignoring pace in hand, because we can't quantify that and don't know how driving faster in turn would have affected tyre life, 12.4s + making up 5.8s deficit after the start and passing Hamilton is quite far.

[edit] That works out to on average 0.326s per lap faster than Alonso from lap 3 onwards. I would (and did) say that qualifies as "by far".
well, actually I don't think that the teams have whole groups of strategists analysing telemetries if you could simply tell how faster a car was by dividing the final gap by the total number of laps...
for instance from here
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2013/03/17/2 ... test-laps/ \
you can see the impact of 3 single laps (45-46-47)..

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Neno wrote: This must be very hard news to hear to.
why?