JPM's NASCAR Revue

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JPM's NASCAR Revue

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JPM at NASCAR's season ending race at Homestead, Florida. Finished 30th place. Hope he does better next year.

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Formula 1, 57, died Thursday, Sept. 13, 2007
Born May 13, 1950, in Silverstone, United Kingdom
Will be held in the hearts of millions forever
Rest In Peace, we will not forget you

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Thanks. I resized it when I put it on imageshack. Don't know why it didn't come up. New to this stuff.

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Ted68 wrote:JPM at NASCAR's season ending race at Homestead, Florida. Finished 30th place. Hope he does better next year.

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34th. He did better before he got spun off the track. He was running thirteenth at one point. The crash was a bit scary...
“It’s frustrating, but we had the pace. It wasn’t bad luck. It was a reflection of our intensity of development.” - Ron Dennis

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Oops! Thanks for the correction. :oops: Overall, he has done pretty well in a short time going from a race car to a nascar stocker.

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Ted68 wrote:Oops! Thanks for the correction. :oops: Overall, he has done pretty well in a short time going from a race car to a nascar stocker.
You're welcome. I just finished an article about that race when I read your post so I just had to correct it, sorry :wink:.
I think JPM does fine. I am looking forward to next season. NASCAR is whole new world for me, but I must say I already like it. And there are people in CZ who really read my race reports. :shock: :lol:
“It’s frustrating, but we had the pace. It wasn’t bad luck. It was a reflection of our intensity of development.” - Ron Dennis

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Your race reports? Where can the rest of us find them? Give us a link!

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That picture appears alarming, but it was taken at the moment of bright flash. Despite stock cars appearing to posess dated technlogy, they do have stout protection.
I've been closely following JPM's stock car racing, and he has done pretrty decent so far. It must be remembered that all he has done so far is preparation for his upcoming season on Cup cars. He has shown all the necessary skills, but the expereince is showing.
In his first race a few weeks ago, he was leading, but a miscommunication and "cultural difference" led Juan into making a mistake, and a crash that ruined his race. And for the Cup race, earlier in the race he was running VERY close to another car, which spun into the wall as a result of the resulting aero unbalance. Later, that same car was the one that tapped Juan from behind to cause the fiery picture. Yup. they do wreck each other, this is how things happen in NASCARland. So these new ways of doing things are what JPM is dealing with.
This last season I watched probably less than 1% of all NASCAR races. In '07, thanks to the presence of JPM, I'll be watching a lot more.

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Hi Dave! I must post in rebuttal. If you had read the story on the happenings of that incident you would have known that Ryan Newman did not intentionally wreck him as you stated. It was an accident and he apologized. As well, Nascar Nextel Cup cars are far from dated technology. They are quite sophisticated, they just don't have big wings, TC, or a load of other electronic gadgets to actually make them drive. Plain old American horsepower, real driving not electronic, and a host of other things that make them entertaining to watch. I admit ovals are boring, very boring. But the excitment of them on TV FAR surpasses F1s. I love F1 very very much, but as Montoya said it's time to do some real racing.

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Hi Ray, glad to meet you. Heck, I'm not knocking NASCAR, they just run a completely different mindset and type of show compared to F1. And although the rules do limit many forms of technological applications, I am aware that with what they have to use, it lags no one. Being able to make the valves survive 600 miles at 9,000 RPM is just as amazing as F1 engines reaching 20,000 RPM.
And I definitely appreciate that what the crew and driver do on the race weekend can make the difference between winning and 30th place. Not like in F1 where 90% of the race results (barring mishap) is determined by the engineering and what the guys in the labs do.
But like all race fans, I have an opinion. Ryan Newman is a very good driver in a frustrating year. He's also one of the toughest drivers to race and pass, and is one of the new generation that plays hardball. It's just my opinion,but I personally believe it wasn't totally "accidental"... just an opinion.

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I suppose you may be right, but I don't think he was really trying to wreck him. But I'm with you somewhat, he may have had more to do with it than he said. Nascar is a great sport, I just wish it got more respect from Euroean series. There is more to Nascar than turning left.

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Oh heck yea, it's quite an entertaining sport, on many levels. And it's fiercly competitive, where the drivers literally fight for evey inch, the entire race.
But it's ironic, many who turn up their noses and disrespect NASCAR and/or it's fans know little, if anything about what it is really about. Think about it, those who chastise NASCAR fans for their redneck ignorance are themselves the ignorant ones..

As a personal side note Ray, I used to watch each and every NASCAR Cup race religiously. It's just that in the last few years, the new playoff format has dumbed down the quality of presentation by the TV announcers. Once they get the Daytona 500 out of the way, then it seems like 75% of all they talk about is the points race, and each driver's chances and relationship in the top ten. I just can't get my head into the race, to follow the ebb and flow of momentum by the cars and drivers. I'm not asking for sophisticated race coverage, but they have dumbed it down as low as it can go.

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Certainly the view about Nascar would be greatly enhanched if it was shown on European channels, possibly free to all, like Eurosport who is spreading Champ Car fanbase. The only way I've got to watch Nascar is on Motors TV, but then its only the Busch Series which I find a bit like GP2.
"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build good engines" Enzo Ferrari

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I must again disagree. The coverage at a Nascar event is FAR superior than what we get here on Speed. You never hear radio chatter, interviews are usually only done at length after the checkered flag, split times and car position on the track is instant, they commentate on damn near every car in the field, and many other things. How many minutes of TV did Christjian Albers get before and after his flip? Almost none. Have any of you ever heard his voice, I haven't. I think that Nascar coverage here in the US far exceeds that of any F1 race. How many of you have actually sat and talked to any F1 star past or present at one of the events? I have personally talked to Dale Earnhardt TWICE, when he was alive of course, for more than ten minutes both times. You can walk up and down the garage area and pit road and BS with any crew member, team owner or driver on any given weekend, and they are more than happy to say hello. So I think Nascar coverage is outstanding compared to F1.

That said, I'm probably talking out my rear end because I don 't get the same channels you guys do. I'm sure F1 TV coverage is better where you guys live. And yes Zenvision you are right, I bet it would do better if it got better coverage and TV time in Europe. But I can't shake off how the Europeans look down thier noses at our cars. Hell, I've heard nothing but snide remarks from Jeremy Clark about the new Z06. It's quite possibly the best supercar for the money and all that is being said about it is it's American.

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Ray wrote:... But I can't shake off how the Europeans look down thier noses at our cars. Hell, I've heard nothing but snide remarks from Jeremy Clark about the new Z06. It's quite possibly the best supercar for the money and all that is being said about it is it's American.
Well, here in sunny South America we have a decent coverage on F-1 by seasoned argentinian commentators and direct transmission of NASCAR by seasoned american commentators. I can't decide myself what's better, although I've followed Dave's path.

Going out of thread (sorry...) about the cars, well, the japanese and european car technology is very different from the american one. I couldn't decide what's better, also: if driving the battered, 40 years old Pontiac GTO with 300.000 miles on it and its clockwork V-8, a jewel of an engine (with several reconstructions on it and no signs of dying soon, that I could dismantle with my eyes closed) or my economic and agile Nissan coupe that hasn't had a glitch or a noise since bought (and that I couldn't repair if my life depended on it, to the extent that I had almost no metric tools). Actually I love even the Lada 2121 at the farm: this thing cannot be destroyed by a nuclear blast (and that ugly thing brings, installed on the factory, a set of tools you could use on "The Flight of the Phoenix" to build a plane in the desert :)).

I would love to have an american engine on an european chassis with all the gadgets, economizers and instrumentation made in Japan. This is what the F1 world basically did during the Cosworth era. I believe NASCAR could use some "european ideas" on their chassises, if they don't do it already.

What Jeremy can complain about (I've havent heard him) is the waste and the lack of "design". They pay a lot of taxes on fuel, like U$6 per gallon, Ray. Picture yourself in that position: you wouldn't value raw power as much as fuel efficiency and engineering. Then you have the matter of the "desing" or taste, and that, my friends, is underdeveloped in America, let's be frank. I am saying this as a true friend of the american car industry and in a mild state of shock after seeing the trend of the SUVs and their horrible grills and indescriptible bodywork. No matter what you do, after letting these monsters go out your factory door, you have lost any respect for your sporting car line. South americans value versatility but also the beauty and efficiency of things, and I haven't heard a good comment on that trend around me :D.

Now, the F-1 fans could put themselves at the other side of the fence: what kind of engines would you have if you paid 1/3th of what you pay now for fuel, like americans do? And what kind of car would you have to cross the continent if all roads were flat and straight?

I went from Phoenix to Washington a couple of times by car and the first time I swore I wouldn't do it again without cruise control: my right foot had cramps at the end of the day, keeping the gas pedal flat most of the way. I was driving a U-Haul truck, towing a car, not precissely a sporty combination, and the thing barely made 70 mph. I confess that for some time I used a brick to keep the gas pedal in position... I am not making this up. The least of your worries is the handling.

About JPM, well, that's life. There will be better times. I only hope he doesn't kill himself, but he has, understandably, my complete attention and affection, more than sympathy.
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