Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 2013

[yener]

Thanx dude, but how about your opinion regarding my petition?
I mean the sport needs more durable tyres so all drivers could drive at 100%, don`t you think?
If a driver is overtaken it would be because he's not fast enough, not because he has to turn down to let say 80% and coast home coz the tyres may delaminate.

Well the reason they dont get durable tyres is because of the future of formula 1. Giving them durable tyres would mean that they could push the car to the limit. That way the "overal" lap time would improve. So the races would get shorter.

The reason they have banned so many aero add ons and restricted many ways of aero development is not to save money, but to slow down the cars. If they didnt go smaller on the engines 3.0 v10 to 2,4 v8 and didnt restrict the many aero wings and development the cars would go faster which also is no fun for the peoples who watch te races.

Slowing down the car is the main reason, the side effect is that everything can happen dueo to the tactic and tyre degration and that makes it exciting to watch a race.

[atanatizante]

Thanx dude, but how about your opinion regarding my petition?
I mean the sport needs more durable tyres so all drivers could drive at 100%, don`t you think?
If a driver is overtaken it would be because he's not fast enough, not because he has to turn down to let say 80% and coast home coz the tyres may delaminate.

Well the reason they dont get durable tyres is because of the future of formula 1. Giving them durable tyres would mean that they could push the car to the limit. That way the "overal" lap time would improve. So the races would get shorter.

The reason they have banned so many aero add ons and restricted many ways of aero development is not to save money, but to slow down the cars. If they didnt go smaller on the engines 3.0 v10 to 2,4 v8 and didnt restrict the many aero wings and development the cars would go faster which also is no fun for the peoples who watch te races.

Slowing down the car is the main reason, the side effect is that everything can happen dueo to the tactic and tyre degration and that makes it exciting to watch a race.

Now that`s really hilarious: they don`t let cars to go faster coz it`s no fun for people to watch races!
So what`s the problem if races are shorter? They could extend to a 90 min. race if they want.
Truly I don`t understand the reason for the fear of pushing the cars to their limits.
Cars are to fragile or maybe we face some pussy drivers who fear to run to their maximum?
Yeah, I can understand why they cut aero devices and engine capacity coz it can`t be safe driving with each year increasing speeds in the corners but these reasons could be deceptive.
In fact the main reason was to cut the budgets and the argument to back this statement is that the recent rules comes back from the year 2008 when crisis stroke ...

[Straggler]

Well the reason they dont get durable tyres is because of the future of formula 1. Giving them durable tyres would mean that they could push the car to the limit. That way the "overal" lap time would improve. So the races would get shorter.

The reason they have banned so many aero add ons and restricted many ways of aero development is not to save money, but to slow down the cars. If they didnt go smaller on the engines 3.0 v10 to 2,4 v8 and didnt restrict the many aero wings and development the cars would go faster which also is no fun for the peoples who watch te races.

Man I read your post twice and still cant believe that you are serious !!! Isn't it way more simpler just to add 3 or 4 more laps instead of making cars slower thus so boring to watch ?! Come on man ... think a little bit from now on before writing such posts.

[NathanOlder]

Nothing a good tyre war wouldn't solve. Although I heard Pirelli would shy away from such a prospect. Bring back the little M ,B or G next to the drivers name.

[Straggler]

Nothing a good tyre war wouldn't solve. Although I heard Pirelli would shy away from such a prospect. Bring back the little M ,B or G next to the drivers name.

Obviously you are missing the point too. We want the driver to win entirely cause of his driving skills not cause of his talent to predict which tyre brand will preform better !!!

The 2007, 2008 and 2009 seasons were great with only one tyre supplier. The only low point was that there were only two competitive teams. If there were like 3 or 4 equal top teams it would be the best seasons ever.

[Drewd11]

Topic hijack, mods please move the above posts and delete mine pls.
Edit: What confuses me is what makes Rosberg's late downshifting a gearbox killer? I can't imagine how he's doing damage to the gearbox unless he's holding the engine back with the brakes which seems tenuous since i never saw him go below 10k rpm. If someone could chime in with a reason that that ruins seamless change gearboxes that would be great, but atm I cant imagine that the issue would be anything other than extremely hot brakes.

[beelsebob]

Topic hijack, mods please move the above posts and delete mine pls.
Edit: What confuses me is what makes Rosberg's late downshifting a gearbox killer? I can't imagine how he's doing damage to the gearbox unless he's holding the engine back with the brakes which seems tenuous since i never saw him go below 10k rpm. If someone could chime in with a reason that that ruins seamless change gearboxes that would be great, but atm I cant imagine that the issue would be anything other than extremely hot brakes.

At a guess, the gearbox can't shift gears quickly enough at low RPMs, to guarantee not crunching the gears together, and stripping the dog rings.

[NathanOlder]

Nothing a good tyre war wouldn't solve. Although I heard Pirelli would shy away from such a prospect. Bring back the little M ,B or G next to the drivers name.

Obviously you are missing the point too. We want the driver to win entirely cause of his driving skills not cause of his talent to predict which tyre brand will preform better !!!

The 2007, 2008 and 2009 seasons were great with only one tyre supplier. The only low point was that there were only two competitive teams. If there were like 3 or 4 equal top teams it would be the best seasons ever.

But with only 1 tyre, say next year it would be Michelin , The FIA can ask them to make tyres that make a "better show" like Pirelli were asked and we end up back to 2012 & 2013. put 2 tyre manufacturers in the picture and this 100% cant happen. The tyres become almost perfect, yes there may be a little between the tyres on certain tracks or temps, but atleast every driver will be pushing as hard as they can for aslong as they can, So i think your find you are missing the point. A tyre war will solve alot of problems.

Back to the 2013 AMG talk, do you guys expect Merc to be running a top speed similar to Red Bull or will they revert back to a higher speed, as there is big time to be made down the long straight ? I expect them to stick to what they have been doing so far. Maybe see some super DRD ?

[raymondu999]

This really should be in its own thread.

But IMO a tyre war has no place in a non-refuel formula. I can see the quicker tyre just being managed until the stops, and then covering whatever strategy the guys behind have. Given that tyre wear is basically the defining factor in deciding race strategies in a no-refuel formula, I also doubt that we'd see drivers going flat out.

[Straggler]

But with only 1 tyre, say next year it would be Michelin , The FIA can ask them to make tyres that make a "better show" like Pirelli were asked and we end up back to 2012 & 2013. put 2 tyre manufacturers in the picture and this 100% cant happen. The tyres become almost perfect, yes there may be a little between the tyres on certain tracks or temps, but atleast every driver will be pushing as hard as they can for aslong as they can, So i think your find you are missing the point. A tyre war will solve alot of problems.

You want tyre war to solve the problem which can be solved by just making the tyres like they were in 2007 and 2008 ...

Thats the exactly same thing as the "brilliant" idea of slowing down the cars to solve the problem with the race length instead of just adding some more laps to it.

There is just simpler solution. We don't need any kind of war to solve the tyre problem. In 2007, 2008 and 2009 there was no war at all. There was only Bridgestone making almost perfect tyres. Why we can't have the same thing now ?! I can see no reason why it couldn't happen.

[NathanOlder]

We have 1 tyre supplier and look where we are. More than 1 supplier and they HAVE to change, otherwise no one will run the pirelli if its the worse tyre. If 1 supplier replaces pirelli, whats to say they wont make a similar tyre to what we have now. I know Pirelli can change their tyre at any time, its down to them. Bringing in another supplier will force them to A. make better tyres or B. clear off and let Goodyear Bridgestone and Michelin battle it out for supremacy.

[Glyn]

We have 1 tyre supplier and look where we are. More than 1 supplier and they HAVE to change, otherwise no one will run the pirelli if its the worse tyre. If 1 supplier replaces pirelli, whats to say they wont make a similar tyre to what we have now. I know Pirelli can change their tyre at any time, its down to them. Bringing in another supplier will force them to A. make better tyres or B. clear off and let Goodyear Bridgestone and Michelin battle it out for supremacy.

Is it possible to make tyres which allow drivers to push through the whole stint, but only let them last a certain number of laps. (and not be terrible like pirelli)

[Nando]

The first pirelli´s was sort of like that. One giant cliff that came out of nowhere.
Now it´s 1 lap then downhill.

[Mika1]

The first pirelli´s was sort of like that. One giant cliff that came out of nowhere.
Now it´s 1 lap then downhill.

True, the same pattern in testing.

[beelsebob]

The first pirelli´s was sort of like that. One giant cliff that came out of nowhere.
Now it´s 1 lap then downhill.

The first pirelli's weren't like that at all. The cliff didn't come after a set number of laps, it came after you got them over a certain temperature. That's why the teams suddenly stopped falling off the cliff – they all started understanding exactly when it was going to happen, and how to avoid getting there.