Adrian Sutil has secured a deal with Sauber to ensure himself a race seat for 2014. He will effectively make the inverse move of Nico Hulkenberg who joined Force India following his departure at Sauber.
mnmracer wrote:Didn't Kimi have Red Bull backing in NASCAR and Rally?CHT wrote:Kimi is definitely a good marketing icon for Red Bull drinks and it will also be a good back up plan for RBR if Vettel leaves.
A Kimi Vettel team will be great and I can definitely see them working well together. And more importantly, RBR will be able to afford it.
I disagree with that. They generally employ non-champions IMO - with the occasional WDC hire. But when they do hire a WDC - he ends up being pretty special.StrikeForceF1 wrote:Would be a nice break in tradition for Ferrari as they traditionally like to employ world champions regarding others as inexperienced.
Horner is the most competent team principal on the grid, which also reflects on team's results in the past years. He's also been signed for a few more seasons not long ago. Your entire comment is just more RB bashing nonsense.Just_a_fan wrote:I think the title of this thread is incorrect. It should surely ask: "Who is going to replace Horner at RedBull?"
Vettel has publically gone against a team order. The team has claimed it has been dealt with. Nothing public has happened to demonstrate the authority of the team over the driver. As Horner is the public team principal (Marko being the real power broker of course), I fail to see how Horner's position will remain tenable. Certainly, if the drivers mess around as the season progresses - and that must be viewed as a likely occurrence - and Horner is unable to prevent it then he must be seen as a short term prospect for the team. A team principal who does not have the respect of the drivers can't continue in the role.
If Horner's just a figure head and Marko "The-Man" as you suggest, and every one know's it, then Vettel disobeying Horner's order is not such a big deal if everyone know's Marko is not displeased about SV passing MW. MW's comments on podium indicated SV is the protected golden boy. Therefore, I see no reason to get rid of Horner as Team Principle because everyone know's the limit of his capacity is not as large as say Martin's or RossJust_a_fan wrote:I think the title of this thread is incorrect. It should surely ask: "Who is going to replace Horner at RedBull?"
Vettel has publically gone against a team order. The team has claimed it has been dealt with. Nothing public has happened to demonstrate the authority of the team over the driver. As Horner is the public team principal (Marko being the real power broker of course), I fail to see how Horner's position will remain tenable. Certainly, if the drivers mess around as the season progresses - and that must be viewed as a likely occurrence - and Horner is unable to prevent it then he must be seen as a short term prospect for the team. A team principal who does not have the respect of the drivers can't continue in the role.
Besides, there's no illusion when MW looks at his bank accountWhiteBlue wrote:Why should Webber retire. I see no reason. I think that with his theatrical performances he satisfies his illusion that he is on equal status with the Red Bull lead driver who has always outperformed him consistently over every season. The truth is that Vettel is so much faster when it comes to a single lap that he has more than three times the pole positions that Webber got. Officially Mark gets equal equipment and procedural status. Would he get that at for instance Ferrari? No way. He would have a #2 contract to begin with. So the likely outcome is for Mark to continue his illusions, take the money and stay put. Seb cannot rely on Mark to support him even in crucial races as seen in Brazil last year. So nothing really changes. None of the Red Bull drivers will effectively obey team orders since Webber refused it in Turkey 2010 and Silverstone 2011. That much is clear. And so there is no real reason to change drivers for any party. But if Webber looses the hunger for competition the Iceman would be the likely option in my view. Probably a bit more expansive but very cool for marketing. Even more capable than Webber as long as he is motivated. He knows what he is doing - fighting for championships. With Webber I'm not sure he is even trying hard enough on his bad days. He can spectacularly under perform for the most important events. Abu Dhabi 2010 and Korea 2010 were some of those events that stood out massively. First he threw away the car in Korea and then he was more than a second off the qualifying pace. You cannot compete with Seb, Lewis and Fred if you have those off days for the showdown of the championship.
Only if Vettel goes to FerrariCHT wrote:Mateschitz added: "Kimi is cool and fast and always a candidate (@ RBR)."
Not at all RB bashing. I've great respect for them as a technical outfit. Indeed, my post made absolutely no attempt to bash RB in anyway. Your "defence" has the smell of fanboy about it.Juzh wrote:Horner is the most competent team principal on the grid, which also reflects on team's results in the past years. He's also been signed for a few more seasons not long ago. Your entire comment is just more RB bashing nonsense.Just_a_fan wrote:I think the title of this thread is incorrect. It should surely ask: "Who is going to replace Horner at RedBull?"
Vettel has publically gone against a team order. The team has claimed it has been dealt with. Nothing public has happened to demonstrate the authority of the team over the driver. As Horner is the public team principal (Marko being the real power broker of course), I fail to see how Horner's position will remain tenable. Certainly, if the drivers mess around as the season progresses - and that must be viewed as a likely occurrence - and Horner is unable to prevent it then he must be seen as a short term prospect for the team. A team principal who does not have the respect of the drivers can't continue in the role.
Indeed so. But a failure to enforce the principal's direction on the drivers is a very public statement of what the principal is/isn't. It's also a very public display of the team's views about their drivers roles. Which is fine so long as you're honest about those roles.Clew wrote:If Horner's just a figure head and Marko "The-Man" as you suggest, and every one know's it, then Vettel disobeying Horner's order is not such a big deal if everyone know's Marko is not displeased about SV passing MW. MW's comments on podium indicated SV is the protected golden boy. Therefore, I see no reason to get rid of Horner as Team Principle because everyone know's the limit of his capacity is not as large as say Martin's or RossJust_a_fan wrote:I think the title of this thread is incorrect. It should surely ask: "Who is going to replace Horner at RedBull?"
Vettel has publically gone against a team order. The team has claimed it has been dealt with. Nothing public has happened to demonstrate the authority of the team over the driver. As Horner is the public team principal (Marko being the real power broker of course), I fail to see how Horner's position will remain tenable. Certainly, if the drivers mess around as the season progresses - and that must be viewed as a likely occurrence - and Horner is unable to prevent it then he must be seen as a short term prospect for the team. A team principal who does not have the respect of the drivers can't continue in the role.
No doubt that Vettel will leave for Ferrari some day, but I doubt it will happen when RBR is still the team to beat. Vettel is quietly gunning for MS F1 record and RBR is definitely the best platform to do so regardless what naysayer are saying about his capability etc .Clew wrote:Only if Vettel goes to FerrariCHT wrote:Mateschitz added: "Kimi is cool and fast and always a candidate (@ RBR)."
I disagree with removing team principles because a driver decides to disobey an order. Otherwise every team's #2 driver will disobey team orders and get a new team principle. So in Red Bull example, if Horner doesn't promote MW from #2 driver to #1....then disobey team orders again and again until a new team principle is hired who does promote MW to #1Just_a_fan wrote:Indeed so. But a failure to enforce the principal's direction on the drivers is a very public statement of what the principal is/isn't. It's also a very public display of the team's views about their drivers roles. Which is fine so long as you're honest about those roles.Clew wrote:If Horner's just a figure head and Marko "The-Man" as you suggest, and every one know's it, then Vettel disobeying Horner's order is not such a big deal if everyone know's Marko is not displeased about SV passing MW. MW's comments on podium indicated SV is the protected golden boy. Therefore, I see no reason to get rid of Horner as Team Principle because everyone know's the limit of his capacity is not as large as say Martin's or RossJust_a_fan wrote:I think the title of this thread is incorrect. It should surely ask: "Who is going to replace Horner at RedBull?"
Vettel has publically gone against a team order. The team has claimed it has been dealt with. Nothing public has happened to demonstrate the authority of the team over the driver. As Horner is the public team principal (Marko being the real power broker of course), I fail to see how Horner's position will remain tenable. Certainly, if the drivers mess around as the season progresses - and that must be viewed as a likely occurrence - and Horner is unable to prevent it then he must be seen as a short term prospect for the team. A team principal who does not have the respect of the drivers can't continue in the role.
As an F1 fan, I prefer another team and driver win 2013 WCC and WDC. Kimi with Lotus or Nico with Merc. I find it boring to see RBR and SV win it again.CHT wrote:Having Kimi driving alongside Vettel will not just be good for RBR, but for F1 fans as well as.Clew wrote:Only if Vettel goes to FerrariCHT wrote:Mateschitz added: "Kimi is cool and fast and always a candidate (@ RBR)."
Controlling your drivers is one of many things team principal has to do (khm ron denis & FA, LH). I've yet to hear a serious outcry by RB fans to get rid of him. Now look at withmarsh, brawn or domenicali. Every year we're hearing they should be sacked and yet they're not.Just_a_fan wrote:Not at all RB bashing. I've great respect for them as a technical outfit. Indeed, my post made absolutely no attempt to bash RB in anyway. Your "defence" has the smell of fanboy about it.Juzh wrote:Horner is the most competent team principal on the grid, which also reflects on team's results in the past years. He's also been signed for a few more seasons not long ago. Your entire comment is just more RB bashing nonsense.Just_a_fan wrote:I think the title of this thread is incorrect. It should surely ask: "Who is going to replace Horner at RedBull?"
Vettel has publically gone against a team order. The team has claimed it has been dealt with. Nothing public has happened to demonstrate the authority of the team over the driver. As Horner is the public team principal (Marko being the real power broker of course), I fail to see how Horner's position will remain tenable. Certainly, if the drivers mess around as the season progresses - and that must be viewed as a likely occurrence - and Horner is unable to prevent it then he must be seen as a short term prospect for the team. A team principal who does not have the respect of the drivers can't continue in the role.
If Horner is so competent then why do his drivers not respect him? Probably because they know he is a figurehead and that Marko is the man to please. Certainly, as far as Vettel is concerned, Marko has his back as evidenced by comments passim.
Not really, I think it will be interesting to see Vettel driving along side another proven WDC.Clew wrote: As an F1 fan, I prefer another team and driver win 2013 WCC and WDC. Kimi with Lotus or Nico with Merc. I find it boring to see RBR and SV win it again.
that will never happend because he could finish like alonso vs hamilton, his pride destroyed his finger broken, and his smile would turn into avenger seeking for darkness.CHT wrote:Not really, I think it will be interesting to see Vettel driving along side another proven WDC.Clew wrote: As an F1 fan, I prefer another team and driver win 2013 WCC and WDC. Kimi with Lotus or Nico with Merc. I find it boring to see RBR and SV win it again.
