2013 Chinese GP - Shanghai

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In the modern era of Formula 1 it's the same, the time when the driver had only to drive as fast as he can it's over...now a driver WILL have to drive as fast as he can but also to thinks about engine, mechanical parts, tyres, gear, strategy, fuel..etc ALL these are variables that the driver, the team and engineers have to deal with.
Still it's a non-sense to see so much drop...

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I don't think anyone's complaining that the driver has to deal with these variables to a a certain extent as that's just part of the sport, and what makes it so good in some ways. I believe that what people aren't quite so fond of is the degree to which these sensitive tyres are limiting the drivers. People aren't arguing that there should be no tyre conservation at all, but when Formula 1 is supposed to be the pinnacle of motor sport, it beggars belief that the drivers can't demonstrate their speed by having to consistently drive to a delta time.
Well in Australia Raikkonen did a 2 stop race, since 2007 we have had a lot of 2 stop races and why people weren't complaining for those races (most of the fans are not complaining, but my question is only for those who are complaining) ??

And how do we know at which delta they are driving...it's the same since 2007 about tyres. Just because a team or driver complaint does not mean that all the teams or drivers are complaining.

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I have never heard the drivers being so critical about the tyres. Things like "massive degredation" or "not being able to push the tyres" have been passed by regurarely, but outright "desintegration" is another.
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Team is getting back on Vettel for Malaysia. They put the new slower rear wing (fewer vortex generators) only on Vettel's car.
Is this true?

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I haven't looked at any pictures yet, but I'm going to go with probably not true. Why would you intentionally try to create vortices at the rear of the car?

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Well i think Pirelli are somewhat responsible for this. First, their tyres are soft enough already and they degrade quite fast. Even then it's fine but Pirelli are making ridiculous choices of choosing soft compound for this race (supersoft in melbourne).
They can at least choose the tyres suitable for the track.

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After the two fp sessions, I figure a 3 stopper for most teams. 8-10 laps on the option, and 15-18 laps on the prime. For a two stopper to work you have to do 12 laps on the opt and two 22 lap stints.
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Regarding tyres, maybe I'm looking at this overly simplistic, but if Pirelli bring 2 different tyres to each GP, why doesn't one be really soft and last say 10 laps max but be around 1-1.5s per lap faster and the other be much harder and last around 20 laps, but obviously be 1-1.5s per lap slower (ie much bigger margins between fast and slower tyres). That way some drivers can really hammer the soft tyre and effectively "go racing" whilst other drivers can go for the longer stints and "drive to deltas". Best of both worlds. Also you could get rid of the must use both tyres rule. I think it would be great to see the different strategies and we would see who the real racers are then. It would obviously take Pirelli some working out to get the number correct and tyre development.

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Brawn thinks teams will use the soft tyre in q3. does anyone really think that? if the drop off so early in the race its pointless? surely it would be best to use the soft tyre as late as possible in the race? low fuel, better track.

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astracrazy wrote:Brawn thinks teams will use the soft tyre in q3. does anyone really think that? if the drop off so early in the race its pointless? surely it would be best to use the soft tyre as late as possible in the race? low fuel, better track.
not always the best (we have seen this with the supersoft in Australia and Sutil)

soft are quicker in q3 (I assume) and once you got rid of them early, you got rid of them.
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FrukostScones wrote:
astracrazy wrote:Brawn thinks teams will use the soft tyre in q3. does anyone really think that? if the drop off so early in the race its pointless? surely it would be best to use the soft tyre as late as possible in the race? low fuel, better track.
not always the best (we have seen this with the supersoft in Australia and Sutil)

soft are quicker in q3 (I assume) and once you got rid of them early, you got rid of them.
If you are in pole with softs, you have a chance to be in clear air.

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If you don't use the soft one you loose 0.5-0.6 seconds. That could be the differences between starting on the first row and the fifth row. You will be stuck in the dirty air, degrading a crucial set of medium tyres too quickly. Better to be quickly done with the softs and having a better starting position. Atleast for the front runners who can get front row places.
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astracrazy wrote:Brawn thinks teams will use the soft tyre in q3. does anyone really think that? if the drop off so early in the race its pointless? surely it would be best to use the soft tyre as late as possible in the race? low fuel, better track.
Believe it or not when the cars are heavy with fuel is when they're at their most gentle on tires. Cornering speeds are slower, braking is longer, acceleration is slower, all the things that wear the tires prematurely get toned down. When the car is on low fuel it actually wears the tires quicker because the potential of the car increases. Now if you have a light car late in the race and you've done two stops for primes and say 6-7 laps to go as a midfield car in second or third place, then yes it's your only option to stay in the points to push.

After seeing the data, no one is going to want to race on the soft tire as it gains over a second for three or four laps, then it starts losing time, and by the 12th lap it's already slower than a comparably worn medium tire.
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godlameroso wrote:
astracrazy wrote:Brawn thinks teams will use the soft tyre in q3. does anyone really think that? if the drop off so early in the race its pointless? surely it would be best to use the soft tyre as late as possible in the race? low fuel, better track.
Believe it or not when the cars are heavy with fuel is when they're at their most gentle on tires. Cornering speeds are slower, braking is longer, acceleration is slower, all the things that wear the tires prematurely get toned down. When the car is on low fuel it actually wears the tires quicker because the potential of the car increases. Now if you have a light car late in the race and you've done two stops for primes and say 6-7 laps to go as a midfield car in second or third place, then yes it's your only option to stay in the points to push.

After seeing the data, no one is going to want to race on the soft tire as it gains over a second for three or four laps, then it starts losing time, and by the 12th lap it's already slower than a comparably worn medium tire.
By the 12th lap? Euhm I think long before that. Teams said the softs degrade one second per lap: the difference between softs and mediums is half a second. Assume the mediums degrade half a second per lap; by lap 2 the medium as fast as the soft, by lap 3 half a second faster and would have at that point crossed the 3 laps in the same time. By lap 4 you will gain the advantage, and will increase exponentially lap after lap.
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godlameroso wrote:After the two fp sessions, I figure a 3 stopper for most teams. 8-10 laps on the option, and 15-18 laps on the prime. For a two stopper to work you have to do 12 laps on the opt and two 22 lap stints.
I doubt they'll get 8-10 race laps out of the soft tyres after they've done 2 or 3 qually laps as well, I'm thinking more like 5 to 7 laps if that.

Lewis did a 27 lap run on the medium, i think merc & lotus are looking at a 2 stop.

The front runners have to quallify and start on the soft, anyone on mediums is going to get jumped at the start then bogged down behind traffic.