Your thoughts on who will win the teammate rivalries 2013?

[SilverArrow10]

Hamilton has had track position in each race hasn't he. But in clear air both Mercedes drivers mostly do identical lap times. No surprises when it comes to who's top in each team apart from Bottas really, which im quite happy about because I like to think he's the next flying fin.

[Maelstrom]

I think Rosberg will come back strongly. He's had 2 DNF's. But I also think Hamilton will still beat him. As more time passes Hamilton will start to feel more comfortable in the car and perform better.

As for Massa... there are spurts of brilliance but no brilliant performances like Alonso. But it's certainly a better performance than last two years. Ferrari need Massa to perform so that they have a shot at WCC.

Grosjean is another one... he's nowhere close to Raikonnen... though atleast he's not crashing into everybody. But he is getting shortshifted a bit with car updates. If any team has a clear 1-2, it's Lotus.

As for Webber... He's certainly not going to beat Vettel... theres already a bit of a lead... but I do wish he'd show a bit more fire and give Vettel a harder time. But I think if he hasn't done it till now, then he's not gonna do it now either. Webber just isn't in the class of Vettel, unfortunately.

[the user]

Though it was expected, it still surprises me how much Perez is getting thrashed by Button. It makes me curious if McLaren hired Perez so they can have a naturally faster #1 driver in Button without having situations where drivers of mostly equal ability are taking points off each other or they would need to employ team orders/favoritism to slow down one of the drivers.

[NathanOlder]

Though it was expected, it still surprises me how much Perez is getting thrashed by Button. It makes me curious if McLaren hired Perez so they can have a naturally faster #1 driver in Button without having situations where drivers of mostly equal ability are taking points off each other or they would need to employ team orders/favoritism to slow down one of the drivers.

I wouldnt have thought so. If they wanted a clear number 1, they would/could have just put No.2 driver on the new contract offered to any driver coming in. Hulkenberg and Di Resta would be better than Perez in my opinion. And both of thos drivers in Sep/Oct last year would rip your arm off for a Mclaren Driver No.2 contract. They both probably would now, even with Mclaren struggling.

A no.2 driver only suffers when your running close or around the no.1 driver. If it turns out your better than Jenson and Qualify 2 or 3 places infront of him, the Team wont move you behind Jenson as you most probably have cars between you and Jenson.

[SilverArrow]

Though it was expected, it still surprises me how much Perez is getting thrashed by Button. It makes me curious if McLaren hired Perez so they can have a naturally faster #1 driver in Button without having situations where drivers of mostly equal ability are taking points off each other or they would need to employ team orders/favoritism to slow down one of the drivers.

I wouldnt have thought so. If they wanted a clear number 1, they would/could have just put No.2 driver on the new contract offered to any driver coming in. Hulkenberg and Di Resta would be better than Perez in my opinion. And both of thos drivers in Sep/Oct last year would rip your arm off for a Mclaren Driver No.2 contract. They both probably would now, even with Mclaren struggling.

A no.2 driver only suffers when your running close or around the no.1 driver. If it turns out your better than Jenson and Qualify 2 or 3 places infront of him, the Team wont move you behind Jenson as you most probably have cars between you and Jenson.

I don't think so either. It seems clear that McLaren made a long-term investment by signing Perez, so there wouldn't be much point in bringing in a young driver with potential as a number two. As I said before the season started, I just feel Perez is massively overrated. I think Hulkenberg in last year's Sauber would have won a race or two.

But it's not fair to judge him just yet. I remember Massa having a bit of a tough time in his first three races for Ferrari as well back in '06.

[Maelstrom]

Agreed. Perez is a tad overrated. The Sauber last year was a great car with great tyre management. Button is outperforming him by a lot currently.

[beelsebob]

Update for 4 races

RedBull
Vettel has outqualified Webber 4-0
Vettel has outraced Webber 4-0
Vettel has outscored Webber 2.4:1
Clear top dog: Vettel (Same as last time)

Ferrari
Massa has outqualified Alonso 3-1
Alonso has outraced Massa 3-1
Alonso has outscored Massa 1.56:1
Slim top dog: Alonso (Same as last time)

Lotus
Raikonnen has outqualified Grosjean 4-0
Raikonnen has outraced Grosjean 3-1
Raikonnen has outscored Grosjean 4.45:1
Clear top dog: Raikonnen (Same as last time)

Mercedes
Hamilton has outqualified Rosberg 3-1
Hamilton has outraced Rosberg 4-0 (though arguably this should be 3-1 thanks to team orders)
Hamilton has outscored Rosberg 3.57:1
Clear top dog: Hamilton

McLaren
Button has outqualified Peres 4-0
The two drivers are level on races
Button has outscored Peres 1.3:1
Fairly clear top dog: Button (Button ↓)

Force India
DiResta has outqualified Sutil 3-1
DiResta has outraced Sutil 3-1 (though arguably this should be 4-0 thanks to team orders)
DiResta has outscored Sutil 1.33:1
Clear top dog: DiResta (DiResta ↑)

Toro Rosso
Ricciardo has outqualified Vergne 3-1
The two drivers are level on races.
Ricciardo has outscored Vergne 6:1
Clear top dog: Ricciardo (Ricciardo ↑)

Sauber
Hulkenberg has outqualified Guttieres 4-0
Hulkenberg has outraced Guttieres 3-1
Hulkenberg has outscored Guttieres infinitely (5/0)
Clear top dog: Hulkenberg (Same as last time)

Williams
The two drivers are level on qualifying results
Bottas has outraced Maldonado 3-1
Neither driver has scored
Slim top dog: Bottas (Same as last time)

Marrussia
Biancci has outqualified Chilton 4-0
Biancci has outraced Chilton 4-0
Neither driver has scored
Clear top dog: Biancci (Same as last time)

Caterham
Pic has outqualified Van Der Garde 3-1
Pic has outraced Van Der Garde 4-0
Neither driver has scored
Clear top dog: Pic (Same as last time)

We're down to only 2 undefeated drivers, as Hamilton was beaten in Qualifying – Vettel and Biancci.
DiResta and Ricciardo seem to be stretching their legs a little in the Intra team battle. Perez came back strong this week against button.

[Maelstrom]

I'd say Perez was looking a little better than Button today.

[beelsebob]

I'd say Perez was looking a little better than Button today.

Agreed, but button has outperformed him for the rest of the season. Lets see where it goes in future races.

[mnmracer]

Just to give a heads up to the rookies, I think we should give them until the Monaco Grand Prix to sort themselves out (and with the backmarkers, consider if upgrades have gone to only one car(like with Caterham this weekend)). Looking back, you will see that most drivers need about 4 to 6 races to really get comfortable with F1 races, so I'm reserving my judgement on the rookies -even Chilton- until then.

[beelsebob]

Update for 5 races

RedBull
Vettel has outqualified Webber 5-0
Vettel has outraced Webber 5-0
Vettel has outscored Webber 2.1:1
Clear top dog: Vettel (Same as last time)

Ferrari
Alonso has outqualified Massa 3-2
Alonso has outraced Massa 4-1
Alonso has outscored Massa 1.6:1
Clear top dog: Alonso (Alonso ↑)

Lotus
Raikonnen has outqualified Grosjean 5-0
Raikonnen has outraced Grosjean 4-1
Raikonnen has outscored Grosjean 3.26:1
Clear top dog: Raikonnen (Same as last time)

Mercedes
Hamilton has outqualified Rosberg 3-2
Hamilton has outraced Rosberg 4-1 (though arguably this should be 3-2 thanks to team orders)
Hamilton has outscored Rosberg 2.27:1
Clear top dog: Hamilton (Same as last time)

McLaren
Button has outqualified Perez 4-1
Button has outraced Perez 3-2 (Though arguably this should be 3-2 to Perez thanks to team orders)
Button has outscored Perez 1.4:1
Fairly clear top dog: Button (Same as last time)

Force India
DiResta has outqualified Sutil 4-1
DiResta has outraced Sutil 4-1 (though arguably this should be 5-0 thanks to team orders)
DiResta has outscored Sutil 4.3:1
Clear top dog: DiResta (Same as last time)

Toro Rosso
Ricciardo has outqualified Vergne 4-1
Ricciardo has outraced Vergne 3-2
Ricciardo has outscored Vergne 7:1
Clear top dog: Ricciardo (Same as last time)

Sauber
Hulkenberg has outqualified Guttieres 5-0
Hulkenberg has outraced Guttieres 3-2
Hulkenberg has outscored Guttieres infinitely (5/0)
Clear top dog: Hulkenberg (Same as last time)

Williams
Bottas has outqualified Maldonado 3-2
Bottas has outraced Maldonado 3-2
Neither driver has scored
Slim top dog: Bottas (Same as last time)

Marrussia
Biancci has outqualified Chilton 5-0
Biancci has outraced Chilton 5-0
Neither driver has scored
Clear top dog: Biancci (Same as last time)

Caterham
Pic has outqualified Van Der Garde 3-2
Pic has outraced Van Der Garde 5-0
Neither driver has scored
Clear top dog: Pic (Same as last time)

DiResta and Ricciardo continue to ease away from their opponent, and Perez continues to close in on Button. Alonso though has put his foot down against Massa.[/quote]

[raymondu999]

What are your threshold figures for fairly clear, clear, slim etc?

[Maelstrom]

I think if it wasn't for team orders Perez would have taken Button today.

[muhammadtalha-13]

What are your thoughts on if RedBull can win WCC this year or not?

[Maelstrom]

Red Bull probably have as good a chance as Lotus and Ferrari. It's between these three... Merc and Mclaren both have issues that are hampering them.