2013 Bahrain GP - Sakhir

[kris]

Lewis Hamilton did a great job. P5, P3, P3, P5, can't ask more.

He goes to 3rd in the drivers standings.. who would have thought..

[ringo]

Jenson was wrong in both instances. He basically brake tested checo by parking his car on the apex.
He has no reason to complain, and Mclaren have no reason to give Perez a talk.
I enjoyed it pretty much, Button feels he's team leader but Perez has different plans. I look forward to more Beatdowns from Perez in the future.
Perez is starting to learn the car, and as the car improves he'll be a thorn in Button's side.


As for rebull, i'll admit Vettel is starting to look like a great driver. Yes he has superior machinery, but i feel he is using it very well, and he's also using the tyres well also. In fact i don't think he even needs to be a very fast driver with the way how he is using his skills to win races. He knows the car is fast and he is doing just enough to keep it in the operating window while staying out of trouble.
Webber is the total opposite, for some reason he's too slow to understand that wheel to wheel racing isn't necessary in some phases of the race. It's only necessary at the start, on an outlap and on the final stint. Webber was too wild driving over other cars among other shenanigans, that's why he'll never be able to beat Vettel.
He looked like he was in a good position to challeng vettel. At one point he was 6 seconds behind Vettel, then he threw the race down the drain after that.
Ferarri will come back strong next race. They just had a lot of bad luck today. Both cars had the pace and i beleive Alonso would have won after the pitstops and long stints. He did well to come up right behind webber.

[WhiteBlue]

IMO Perez deserved the criticism. He drove too aggressive against his team mate and made Button very angry. The team should slap his fingers for that dangerous driving. Button has every right to defend his position but team mates need to give each other extra space which Perez did not give. Button then retaliated which was a bit naughty as well. You do not drive your team mate off the track!!! Whitmarsh has a serious task there with his drivers this year.

[CHT]

3 Renault powered car right at the front. Without a strong Mclaren I think RBR and Vettel is going to walk away with the championship this year.

Without McLaren?. What about Ferrari and Lotus there not exactly weak teams both have won championships in the past and are right in there now. Heck even Mercedes could ruin Red bulls year.

Mercedes tire degradation issue will be very difficult to fix and until that happen, they are unlikely to be able to challenge RBR during the race

Lotus is good for now, but I doubt they have the resources to keep up with RBR development through the season. also once teams get more familiar with 2013 tires, Lotus will have less advantage.

At the moment, I see Ferrari as the only team that can really challenge RBR but I am afraid that Ferrari alone will not be good enough to stop the bulls.

[CHT]

IMO Perez deserved the criticism. He drove too aggressive against his team mate and made Button very angry. The team should slap his fingers for that dangerous driving. Button has every right to defend his position but team mates need to give each other extra space which Perez did not give. Button then retaliated which was a bit naughty as well. You do not drive your team mate off the track!!! Whitmarsh has a serious task there with his drivers this year.

At lease Perez didnt radio the pit to complain that Button was too slow or asking them to do something.

[GrizzleBoy]

IMO Perez deserved the criticism. He drove too aggressive against his team mate and made Button very angry. The team should slap his fingers for that dangerous driving. Button has every right to defend his position but team mates need to give each other extra space which Perez did not give. Button then retaliated which was a bit naughty as well. You do not drive your team mate off the track!!! Whitmarsh has a serious task there with his drivers this year.

Perez did nothing other than race hard.

Jenson parked his car on the apex/brake checked when Perez hit him.

Jenson defended harder than Perez attacked.

The fact that Jenson pretended he didn't see the screen and couldn't hear when Antony Davis showed him the onboards on live TV tells all that needs to be said.

[WhiteBlue]

Ferarri will come back strong next race. They just had a lot of bad luck today. ..

I think you are right. They are the real competitor with Alonso for WDC. I do not agree with the view that it was all bad luck. Ferrari gave away six points by making an unnecessary pit stop on two consecutive laps. They should have told Fred not to use the DRS right away after the rear wing adjuster had come loose. It was obvious that the wing element was extremely likely not to close any more after the initial damage. The 22 seconds lost would have boosted Fred to P5.

[ringo]

I'm trying to follow your sarcasm there white blue regards to button/perez
Any how Perez did the right moves, and Anthony davidson proved that in the video analysis.

Button was bawling for team orders. What was that he said about tequila?!!
What a prejudiced statement. I don't think the Latin American fans or sponsors of Mclaren will be happy about that.
It was after that that Button jumped into the sky interview to try to save face. He was caught in a little racialrow right there.

In summary:
Button parked his car on the curb on his teammate. Perfectly timed to prevent perez from coming up the middle, in fact timed to bust up his rear wing.
You don't brake for a turn, then brake again on the apex. That against regulations to have sudden movents liable to cause a collision.
When you turn you accelerate on exit, you don't stand up on the apex. So Perez was taken by surprise here.

Secondly Button ran the guy off the road on purpose.

I don't see any part of the fight where perez was being rude at all. Unless whitmarsh wants him to roll over and play dead and get swarmed by the cars behind.

[WhiteBlue]

I'm not being sarcastic. I just have a different opinion about the driving up to and into that corner. We can all have our opinions, can't we?

[munudeges]

Very intelligent comment.

Yer, the place is full of intelligent comments around here these days, isn't it?

My conclusion from last year, this year and GP2 is that Grosjean is not the racing driver everyone so sadly wants him to be - and that's based on years of watching him. I also conclude that because Mercedes seems to have the exact opposite tendency of the Lotus between qualifying and the race then Rosberg mustn't be a very good race driver.

Yep, very intelligent stuff.

Maybe you should have a look at qualifying (he should start with improving his laptimes between Q2 and Q3 then putting his best sector times in one single lap or at least two of them). I'm not saying that Grosjean is better, but probably.

It doesn't work like that. In Q3 you are looking after the tyres that you will carry into the race......you dunce. Grosjean is not going to blow Raikkonen away. Let's just face facts now.

I know why I don't spend much time around here.

[Traction]

IMO Perez deserved the criticism. He drove too aggressive against his team mate and made Button very angry. The team should slap his fingers for that dangerous driving. Button has every right to defend his position but team mates need to give each other extra space which Perez did not give. Button then retaliated which was a bit naughty as well. You do not drive your team mate off the track!!! Whitmarsh has a serious task there with his drivers this year.

At lease Perez didnt radio the pit to complain that Button was too slow or asking them to do something.

Yeah...it was Button getting panicky asking the crew to calm Perez down...

[Emerson.F]

IMO Perez deserved the criticism. He drove too aggressive against his team mate and made Button very angry. The team should slap his fingers for that dangerous driving. Button has every right to defend his position but team mates need to give each other extra space which Perez did not give. Button then retaliated which was a bit naughty as well. You do not drive your team mate off the track!!! Whitmarsh has a serious task there with his drivers this year.

Really? Did you see the race? Or just a JB fanboy?

I'm trying to follow your sarcasm there white blue regards to button/perez
Any how Perez did the right moves, and Anthony davidson proved that in the video analysis.

Button was bawling for team orders. What was that he said about tequila?!!
What a prejudiced statement. I don't think the Latin American fans or sponsors of Mclaren will be happy about that.
It was after that that Button jumped into the sky interview to try to save face. He was caught in a little racialrow right there.

In summary:
Button parked his car on the curb on his teammate. Perfectly timed to prevent perez from coming up the middle, in fact timed to bust up his rear wing.
You don't brake for a turn, then brake again on the apex. That against regulations to have sudden movents liable to cause a collision.
When you turn you accelerate on exit, you don't stand up on the apex. So Perez was taken by surprise here.

Secondly Button ran the guy off the road on purpose.

I don't see any part of the fight where perez was being rude at all. Unless whitmarsh wants him to roll over and play dead and get swarmed by the cars behind.

This! Two snakes

[Traction]

I'm trying to follow your sarcasm there white blue regards to button/perez
Any how Perez did the right moves, and Anthony davidson proved that in the video analysis.

Button was bawling for team orders. What was that he said about tequila?!!
What a prejudiced statement. I don't think the Latin American fans or sponsors of Mclaren will be happy about that.
It was after that that Button jumped into the sky interview to try to save face. He was caught in a little racialrow right there.

In summary:
Button parked his car on the curb on his teammate. Perfectly timed to prevent perez from coming up the middle, in fact timed to bust up his rear wing.
You don't brake for a turn, then brake again on the apex. That against regulations to have sudden movents liable to cause a collision.
When you turn you accelerate on exit, you don't stand up on the apex. So Perez was taken by surprise here.

Secondly Button ran the guy off the road on purpose.

I don't see any part of the fight where perez was being rude at all. Unless whitmarsh wants him to roll over and play dead and get swarmed by the cars behind.

I don't Agee that Button ran Sergio off. The widening of the track after the corner gives the guy coming out of the corner on the outside a false sense of been able to go around the outside then go really wide and still have the line. Meanwhile the defender on the inside stays on the normal line and ends up looking like he is shutting the door...button just stayed on the racing line imo..

[enckboaz]

does anyone know the song at the end of sky f1 coverage of this gp (the one played during the little replay at the end)?

i know it's completely off topic.. i'm sorry [-o<

[Phil]

IMO some perspective is missing. McLaren is fighting for every point here. The last thing they want, as a team, is to slow each other down by having two drivers battling each other agressively. At the time of the battle, Button was ahead and probably was more trying to maximize his tyres for his strategy then waste his rubber on his in hin view over enthusiastic team mate. A puncture would have been fatal, epic fail, no matter who is at fault.

Unfortunately, the broadcast i was was watching didnt make it too apparent if they were on the same strategy. it would have made sense for the team to intervene, tell them to play nice and/or wave the quicker driver through, in the hope to maximize their result as a team.

As a spectator though, it was great entertainment. i still think though - team mates need to have respect and give more space. the battle today was messy and dangerous - i cant remember Jenson and Lewis being that agressive to each other.