My thoughts exactly! Now we know that the cars can follow each other closely and if you are faster it is down to the drivers' skills to overtake. With the DRS F1 became very prdictable - when you close the gap to <1 sec everyone knows what will happen. Honestly it is not fun watching it.andartop wrote:Interesting to see Alonso overtaking without DRS. Maybe an indication we don't need it anymore with KERS and these fantastic tires?
I think the head wind at the track does play a part as well.vall wrote:My thoughts exactly! Now we know that the cars can follow each other closely and if you are faster it is down to the drivers' skills to overtake. With the DRS F1 became very prdictable - when you close the gap to <1 sec everyone knows what will happen. Honestly it is not fun watching it.andartop wrote:Interesting to see Alonso overtaking without DRS. Maybe an indication we don't need it anymore with KERS and these fantastic tires?
The reason for Alonso being able to overtake without DRS was his massive speed advantage even with DRS closed. There was one situation where checo was very close to him and opened his DRS to get by. Alonso however just stayed ahead, maxing out at 308kph (readout of the info layer) while Checo with DRS open maxed out at 306kph. Had Alonso's car been as "slow" as the Macca without DRS, he would not have passed anyone on the straights.vall wrote:My thoughts exactly! Now we know that the cars can follow each other closely and if you are faster it is down to the drivers' skills to overtake. With the DRS F1 became very prdictable - when you close the gap to <1 sec everyone knows what will happen. Honestly it is not fun watching it.andartop wrote:Interesting to see Alonso overtaking without DRS. Maybe an indication we don't need it anymore with KERS and these fantastic tires?
Also depends on tires as well as where the overtaking took place.vall wrote:true, but it has always been hard for slower cars to overtake faster ones, no? You need to be faster to overtake anyway. I want overtakes using driver skill, not by pushing a button. What I am saying is that with the current aerodynamics/tire combination there will be enough overtakes even without DRS.
If this was a boring race, then you have to skip all the Bahrain races in the future. It won't be better than this.Tomba wrote:From my point of view, Bahrain was actually a pretty boring race in just about every sense of the word. Overtaking was ridiculously easy for most people (except Perez on Button and Hamilton on Webber), but other than that nothing really happened at all. All the action came from people having their tyres worn out and moving backwards, or drivers that had just pitted and flew past everybody else, only to see others pass again 10 laps later. I would prefer a more stable positioning with harder fights.
The call for the removal of DRS is way too early I think. Bahrain has always been a pretty good track for overtaking, and the head wind really played into that today. The problem however with DRS is to get the balance right, as making it too powerful creates this yoyo effect of people passing, and then being re-passed, only to pass them again the next lap.
Finally, I continue to be amazed by the Red Bull team. Even with stable regulations, they keep the upper hand in the aerodynamics department, creating seemingly more downforce than anybody else can find. Regulations are tight and constant, so I really wonder where they get it, and why others fail to catch up after 3 years.
And we have now had two races where considerable parts of front wings have been removed, yet cars were not slowed down. So there could be a question of the benefits of all the add-ons.vall wrote:My thoughts exactly! Now we know that the cars can follow each other closely and if you are faster it is down to the drivers' skills to overtake. With the DRS F1 became very prdictable - when you close the gap to <1 sec everyone knows what will happen. Honestly it is not fun watching it.andartop wrote:Interesting to see Alonso overtaking without DRS. Maybe an indication we don't need it anymore with KERS and these fantastic tires?
Indeed. Armchair fans get all excited about a twiddly bit here or there. Some fans berate their team (yes, some people think of it as "their" team) for not bolting on a copy of the wing used by the most recent winner.gilgen wrote:And we have now had two races where considerable parts of front wings have been removed, yet cars were not slowed down. So there could be a question of the benefits of all the add-ons.
In F1 a little difference is enough to put it on.richard_leeds wrote:Indeed. Armchair fans get all excited about a twiddly bit here or there. Some fans berate their team (yes, some people think of it as "their" team) for not bolting on a copy of the wing used by the most recent winner.gilgen wrote:And we have now had two races where considerable parts of front wings have been removed, yet cars were not slowed down. So there could be a question of the benefits of all the add-ons.
Then when it comes to the race we see cars run an entire race with missing end plates with little discernible difference.