2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[allstaruk08]

maybe it ties in with Toyota's WEC program and the changes in regs for the 2014 season. they're having fuel flow meters instead of engine size, type of fuel, turbos or superchargers, so maybe the 1.6L V6 turbo is best suited for WEC aswell as Formula 1.

[TzeiTzei]

maybe it ties in with Toyota's WEC program and the changes in regs for the 2014 season. they're having fuel flow meters instead of engine size, type of fuel, turbos or superchargers, so maybe the 1.6L V6 turbo is best suited for WEC aswell as Formula 1.

Assuming it's reliable enough and not way too expensive to build & maintain, i suppose it could work

[rjsa]

Some discussions around the forum made it pretty clear that currently teams burn fuel during braking to counter the effect of kers harvesting, resulting in the engine delivering zero torque.

It obviously annihilates the intent of using kers since you re are just burning fuel to charge it. Anyone knows if the farce will go on with the new rules?

[Tim.Wright]

The intent of KERs in F1 is to help it appear more green, and its doing a reasonable job.

Whether or not it actually saves fuel or is "green" is totally irrelevant.

[rjsa]

That's how I see it but no everyoe seems to agree with this opinion.

[Tommy Cookers]

Some discussions around the forum made it pretty clear that currently teams burn fuel during braking to counter the effect of kers harvesting, resulting in the engine delivering zero torque.

It obviously annihilates the intent of using kers since you re are just burning fuel to charge it. Anyone knows if the farce will go on with the new rules?

there is no sign of a change

the fuel rate rules strictly limit the fuel rate when the IC engine is driving the car in the normal way
but do not reduce that limit when the driver has lifted off the accelerator and the engine needs no fuel
this amounts to free fuel for running the engine to generate electricity

if there was also a limit of fuel load this would make the cars greener, and they would be seen as greener
(but this could cause a perception of racing spoilt by fuel saving)

there's no sign of a change on this issue (but Moto GP has been doing this for years eg currently 41 litres, 2014 40 litres)

EDIT yes, I meant 21 litres now, 20 litres in 2014 ....... honest !!

[FW17]

there's no sign of a change on this issue (but Moto GP has been doing this for years eg currently 41 litres, 2014 40 litres)

From 2007 onwards the FIM regulated that engines are limited a maximum fuel capacity of 21 litres in MotoGP™ class with the exception of participating CRT teams that are allowed 2 more litres of fuel than factory teams.

[FW17]

2014 engines are to be homologated in march 2014. What does this homologation mean?

[dragosmp]

Some discussions around the forum made it pretty clear that currently teams burn fuel during braking to counter the effect of kers harvesting, resulting in the engine delivering zero torque.

It obviously annihilates the intent of using kers since you re are just burning fuel to charge it. Anyone knows if the farce will go on with the new rules?

there is no sign of a change

the fuel rate rules strictly limit the fuel rate when the IC engine is driving the car in the normal way
but do not reduce that limit when the driver has lifted off the accelerator and the engine needs no fuel
this amounts to free fuel for running the engine to generate electricity

if there was also a limit of fuel load this would make the cars greener, and they would be seen as greener
(but this could cause a perception of racing spoilt by fuel saving)

there's no sign of a change on this issue (but Moto GP has been doing this for years eg currently 41 litres, 2014 40 litres)

I don't think the energy recovered by KERS is always compensated to achieve an overall zero torque; there is some amount of fuel being burnt, but there is some negative torque, otherwise there wouldn't be any engine braking. And also on braking there has to be a lot of negative torque since the pilots take something like 4-6g-s for 600kg of car+pilot, it's not like the negative torque of a KERS would be so important that one would need to compensate. I may be wrong though.

In MotoGP from next year it's going to be 20l for the prototypes, one less than this year, so 3 liters between them and CRTs. At the last race the commentators said something like the CRTs now have 25HP less or thereabouts, it would be interesting to see what would be the new difference due to the extra limitations imposed on prototypes.

[autogyro]

As long as they continue to harvest energy from the nose of the crankshaft, they will continue to have major problems balancing engine brakeing, Kers use, ordinary brakeing, diffuser blowing, fueling, gear ratio selection and tyre wear.

[Wardez]

I agree, the engineers are so talented, it seems as thought it'll be a nightmare to balance all of that out.

Although "diffuser blowing" shouldn't be a factor right? Since the new reg's stipulate that the exhaust will be pointed upward and be higher than currently allowed, and also more center channelled iirc.

[autogyro]

I am sure they will use gas flow from the exhaust to increase downforce one way or another within the new regs.
Probably to blow the beam wing.
So it will remain part of the juggling act.

[Richard]

I thought the beam wing is banned in 2014? You're probably right that they'll find something to blow.

[Blanchimont]

The only thing i can imagine to be blown in 2014 (does this sound weird? ) should be a monkey seat as the regulations on exhaust position are very restrictive.

The exhaust has to end between 350 and 550mm above the reference plane, between 30 and 50mm in front of the RWCL and not more than 250mm from the car center line.

[Tommy Cookers]

As long as they continue to harvest energy from the nose of the crankshaft .......

we know that engines are allowed to produce zero (rather than negative) torque whenever the driver is off the accelerator
it does sound as if the harvesting point is 'inside' the zero torque definition/measurement point

so that engine fuelling eg in the braking zone is powering the KERS
in addition to full (zero torque) or partial (reduced negative torque) cancellation of 'engine braking'