2013 Canadian GP - Montreal

[majki2111]

2012 pole lap - Sebastian Vettel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT5Y-aMLpZ0

Just wanna say that I do miss the unlimited DRS qualifying. I feel that drivers are more on the edge when they try to use DRS in as many places as possible to get the most out of a lap.

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I agree...

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Totally agree. Unlimited DRS was a simbol of qualifing and fast on lap. I really miss it.

[SectorOne]

Simplistic and wrong.
And take a look at Merc's recent history in F1. they never really mastered the tires and always produced bad race cars. They're getting worse every year in that area. Even in 2010 they rarely beat the Renault on race pace. they only improved their qualy pace and thus for a limited number of races. So you can't put Merc at the same level as the RBR. the latter is a very good car for sure but it seems to have weaknesses...

Mercedes have had rear tire issues. This year if you listened to Rosberg in Spain he said all four tires went off at the same time.
They have improved the car in every single area possible, the most out of any team by a mile.

The only reason Merc is slightly behind Red Bull in having the best car is because of their inherent tire wear.
This isn´t something Red Bull has had before because these tires have never existed before.
This whole theory is actually supported by the fact that Red Bull is struggling with tire wear.
We can say all we want about the ineherent tire wear problems of the Merc but it´s irrelevant when looking at the RB9 which is more or less a carryover evolution from last year.
It´s not a new car. Tires have changed the car haven´t.
Yet all of a sudden there´s an artificial leveling due to the tires that we have never seen before in F1 history.

Since downforce has been invented, it´s been king. Only thing stopping it has been reliability issues.
But not once has it been tires, regardless if you drive slower.

If you take these tires and make them even more extreme you would start seeing Marussia and Caterham completely and utterly dominate races..
By your logic they would be the best cars i.e. their design department has done the best job out of anyone building subpar cars.

[Harsha]

Mercedes have had rear tire issues. This year if you listened to Rosberg in Spain he said all four tires went off at the same time.
They have improved the car in every single area possible, the most out of any team by a mile.

The only reason Merc is slightly behind Red Bull in having the best car is because of their inherent tire wear.
This isn´t something Red Bull has had before because these tires have never existed before.
This whole theory is actually supported by the fact that Red Bull is struggling with tire wear.
We can say all we want about the ineherent tire wear problems of the Merc but it´s irrelevant when looking at the RB9 which is more or less a carryover evolution from last year.
It´s not a new car. Tires have changed the car haven´t.
Yet all of a sudden there´s an artificial leveling due to the tires that we have never seen before in F1 history.

Since downforce has been invented, it´s been king. Only thing stopping it has been reliability issues.
But not once has it been tires, regardless if you drive slower.

If you take these tires and make them even more extreme you would start seeing Marussia and Caterham completely and utterly dominate races..
By your logic they would be the best cars i.e. their design department has done the best job out of anyone building subpar cars.

You got it nailed mate. Also I think RBR is sacrificing some of its Downforce to trade the average Lap time. So if they have Durable tires then it wont be Surprised RBR flying away from every one.
I read that Pirelli Claimed RBR has Best Corerning Downforce is that true ??

[SectorOne]

Yea we have seen Red Bull playing around with low DF rear wings. Completely unheard of before in F1.
And yes the word is that Pirelli has proof the Red Bull has the most downforce out of anyone.

But Merc is strong in other areas, hence the 4 poles in a row.
Probably mechanical grip but a much more efficient downforce/drag setup then Red Bull which RBR can to an extent solve by running their super aggressive gearing allowing for ridiculous acceleration out of corners.


Basically you have Ferrari and Lotus putting on every bit of downforce they can while Red Bull is forced to take some off.

And if the tires stay the way they are Ferrari and Lotus will start to break away if they keep things on the black stuff from here on.

Hungary, Singapore are advantage RBR/Merc and in Italy, the playing field in Downforce is equalized to an extent.
DRS is also somewhat irrelevant there too.

But the rest? Total domination by Ferrari and Lotus. If they just keep things clean the championship will be a clear path.
(assuming the tire change is miniscule and only changes the safety aspect of the tires)

Edit: rain and cold temps could possibly help RBR Merc in some cases.

[FrukostScones]

nail-biter, shock winner

[SamH123]

My outside tip would be Perez
His Mclaren has shown glimpses of great race pace and he certainly is going all out (considering Monaco)

[dave34m]

Just wanna say that I do miss the unlimited DRS qualifying. I feel that drivers are more on the edge when they try to use DRS in as many places as possible to get the most out of a lap.

I dont miss it at all, unlimited DRS was a completely stupid and potentially dangerous idea that should never have been allowed.

[Chuckjr]

Just wanna say that I do miss the unlimited DRS qualifying. I feel that drivers are more on the edge when they try to use DRS in as many places as possible to get the most out of a lap.

I dont miss it at all, unlimited DRS was a completely stupid and potentially dangerous idea that should never have been allowed.

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[Racer X]

Ive become a Perez fan. Last year he had a great race here. But this year his car has got poor speed. As for the pecking order things dont seem to change much ever.

It should be RedBull Lotus Mercedez and Ferrari. I No particula order. I guess it all depends on the set ups. How good they manage to adapt. But I dont see McLaren getting past those Teams.

[Harsha]

Yea we have seen Red Bull playing around with low DF rear wings. Completely unheard of before in F1.
And yes the word is that Pirelli has proof the Red Bull has the most downforce out of anyone.

But Merc is strong in other areas, hence the 4 poles in a row.
Probably mechanical grip but a much more efficient downforce/drag setup then Red Bull which RBR can to an extent solve by running their super aggressive gearing allowing for ridiculous acceleration out of corners.


Basically you have Ferrari and Lotus putting on every bit of downforce they can while Red Bull is forced to take some off.

And if the tires stay the way they are Ferrari and Lotus will start to break away if they keep things on the black stuff from here on.

Hungary, Singapore are advantage RBR/Merc and in Italy, the playing field in Downforce is equalized to an extent.
DRS is also somewhat irrelevant there too.

But the rest? Total domination by Ferrari and Lotus. If they just keep things clean the championship will be a clear path.
(assuming the tire change is miniscule and only changes the safety aspect of the tires)

Edit: rain and cold temps could possibly help RBR Merc in some cases.

To Be Honest i don't think even if the Tires stay like this RBR want to stay behind the Lotus and Ferrari for Race day in terms of Pace. They will try to put them selves in between those two.
Rain helps RBR like in Malaysia but Cold temps caused Graining in the Austalia race.

[rssh]

My prediction is that RB will run Monza wing of previous year and have a better 7th gear ratio . This may sacrifice the 3 sector time in qualy but it will be more beneficial in the race .

Last year in qualy RB was the fastest with lower ratio than Ferrari and Macca but in race Ham flew by both ALO and VET even after they both squared off the hair pin corner for better traction. .

I think people know that they can afford 2 stops in Canada because one can overtake here and also the pin lane time loss is lesser than traditional circuits relatively (OPP)

[raymondu999]

My prediction is that RB will run Monza wing of previous year and have a better 7th gear ratio . This may sacrifice the 3 sector time in qualy but it will be more beneficial in the race .

Define better.

[/quote]Last year in qualy RB was the fastest with lower ratio than Ferrari and Macca but in race Ham flew by both ALO and VET even after they both squared off the hair pin corner for better traction. .[/quote]
Yes, but ALO and VET both had problems with tyre warmup, which meant they were on colder tyres than Hamilton. Arguably Hamilton had equal traction.

I think people know that they can afford 2 stops in Canada because one can overtake here and also the pin lane time loss is lesser than traditional circuits relatively (OPP)

Yes - very small, 13 seconds. IMO an OOP strategy will be quicker than OPP though. The big thing is the quickest race strategy for the Lotuses and the Ferraris. Lotus being kinder to its tyres may mean that OP is quicker (for their car) than OOP.

[banibhusan]

I think, for this race at least, we should hold our predictions about strategies since we are still not sure what kind of tyres Pirelli are planning to bring.

But with the current tires I doubt even the Lotus would be able to manage a one stopper.

[Just_a_fan]

Yet all of a sudden there´s an artificial leveling due to the tires that we have never seen before in F1 history.

You've obviously forgotten about the FIA's move to reduce Ferrari's advantage in 2005. They banned tyre changes in the race - Ferrari and Bridgestone's strategy before then had been to run a series of sprints.

Now that was an artificial levelling as never before seen.

[SectorOne]

The reason Hamilton won last year was because he nailed the strategy.
Mclaren knew from the start which strategy would work while Ferrari stuck with theirs and Vettel did an unscheduled last stop to try and rectify the problems.

This was also the reason Hamilton caught up to Vettel before the first stop. Different strategy.