2013 Canadian GP - Montreal

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bdr529 wrote:
Gerhard Berger wrote:Also, rain is predicted for the race weekend.
I wouldn't put to much stock in that prediction, there's a good chance it could be sunny and hot
All data I have access to points to a wet weekend. Sunday will have intermittent rain throughout the day nothing crazy, but it won't be dry.
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12 days out so far, things can change.
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Hi everyone, first post for me here.

A great circuit, with lots of entretaining races, with a lot of action during the race. Everything spiced up since all that happened in Monaco, so it's going to be good since friday.

From my point of view i don't think that someone may try a one stop race. The reasoning behind this is:
1. Last year there was only two drivers that could make it happen, but the winner was commited since the beggining of the race to a two stopper and proved to be the fastest strategy.
2. In Spain the winner made the difference going for quicker shorter stints, rather than preserving tyres.

Canada having 2 DRS long straights and needing very good traction out of the hairpin and in the last chicane, would leave the cars with worn tyres a sitting duck for those in a more aggresive strategy.

Excuse my english since its not my native language :D

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Your English is fine. Don't give it another thought. :)

Typically, I like to have a rotten forecast 12 days out, cuz those forecaster types are so seldom right, it virtually guarantees nice weather by the time the date gets here. Some people think meteorologist could improve their forecasting accuracy by at least 50% if they would simply look out the window once in a while! :lol:
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I cheked the forecast it seems light rain is in the weekend forecast as of right now but things change.

If there is rain and we see teams on the Intermediate Rains what teams have showed strong pace again'? On those tires.
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godlameroso wrote:
bdr529 wrote:
Gerhard Berger wrote:Also, rain is predicted for the race weekend.
I wouldn't put to much stock in that prediction, there's a good chance it could be sunny and hot
All data I have access to points to a wet weekend. Sunday will have intermittent rain throughout the day nothing crazy, but it won't be dry.
I live outside of Toronto, you can't trust any weather forecast past a few days
4 days ago they said Tuesday would be 68F (20C) and overcast, it ended up being 51F (11C) and rained most of the day.
The weather can be crazy around the Great Lakes this time of the year, Wednesday they say 77F (25C) and overcast

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I think (and wish) Mclaren will surprise quite a few people and their car is in a better shape, especially after seeing the car's good traction and acceleration in Monaco. And Mclaren usually does well at Montreal.

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We all know reports have stated Pirelli will do just a minor tweak to just the rears. Fronts stay as is--and that does not bode well for Ham, a master at late braking. Lewis is still struggling with what seems to be the offputting FRIC braking characteristics loaded into the Merc offering.

I see Merc qualifying well with a surging with confidence Rosburg and Canada I-love-you-long-time Lewis. Sadly, both Merc pilots will get eaten alive come race day by Ferrari, RB, and Lotus - starting lap one. I really don't see Merc being anything more than moving speed bumps during the race.

Macca with the feisty Chako and a frustrated Button will definitely bring some entertainment as they piddle with the mid field players. Time to hire better engineers Macca and focus on 2014.

If Alonso is planning to make a serious run for the title, he had better get on with it in Canada. No mistakes allowed as he and Ferrari have used up their yearly fault allotment.

SV is not overrated imho. He's a 3 time back to back to back champion, one hell of a qualifier with 38 poles in just over a hundred races, and all before age 25. what. Winning that big that early does not just happen b/c of a car, and remember he started with a mid field Sauber - unlike what the racing phenom Hamilton enjoyed from his entry into the fight. Vet has embarrassed Webber for the last 3 years, and Mark is absolutely no f1 slouch. If Hungry Heidi takes the win in BC, it may be another Red Bull run away freight train this year, unfortunately.

Race:
1. Fred
2. Vet
3. Kimi
4. Massa/Webber
5. Perez

Cream rises to the top in Canada. Alonso won't disappoint, Vettle will contend, while Kimi brings the heat.

Love Canada. Here's to a great race all! Cheers!
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McLaren could really surprise here. But I have a feeling Raikkonen will win this one. Just a feeling.
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Quali: RBR vs. Mercs
Race: RBR vs. Kimi (1 less stop)

Mercs will fall back in race as overtaking is possible here. Ferrari will struggle again because of lack of traction if they don't sort out the problems they had in Monaco. If they do, they also could fight for podium.

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SectorOne wrote:
iotar__ wrote:That's over-simplification. He won because: he nailed qualifying, was fast every time it mattered, Vettel is overrated :wink: , he didn't have the pace in the first stint regardless of strategy, McLaren run their own race, or maybe even because Grosjean started too low and on old tyres and had to make long stint on them. Or maybe because Ferrari+Alonso went for the wrong strategy towards the end. Maybe without all of this he would have won anyway, McLaren was fast enough in the race.

Whatever it was I doubt it has anything to do with Canada 2013. I'm not playing strategy prediction this time after boring one stop Monaco. Based on circuit and nothing else I'm going with Red Bull advantage and win.
No Vettel nailed Qualifying ;) Hamilton started 2nd.
And Ferrari/Alonso nailed the first pit stop jumping both guys.
The problem was Ferrari and RBR tried to stop one time less, and sure Mclaren was fast enough all race but the key difference that separated the three teams was that Mclaren before the lights went out had their strategy fully locked in.
Red Bull and Ferrari did not. They gambled and it did not pay off.
No, Vettel's pole expected and almost formality based on FP, Q1, Q2 and with a lack of challenge from Alonso. Hamilton's second was a surprise considering McLaren's qualifying pace, it allowed him to make a strategy work, it was much easier being behind Vettel and in front after first stop (or sth like that).

I wouldn't worry too much about "low downforce" affecting Red Bull. They were fine last season here with an easy pole, race pace was there but it was more about driver/strategy/tyres. Of course it could have been related to development pace at that moment. Track layout (corner types) is more important, they were also good in Valencia, not dissimilar to Canada. 2013 can be different (car + tyres) of course.

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The Mercedes drivers will lock out the front row in qualy.

Rosberg and Hamilton will finish in the top 5, and 1 of them will get onto the podium, I'm going to go with Hamilton.

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raymondu999 wrote:
rssh wrote:My prediction is that RB will run Monza wing of previous year and have a better 7th gear ratio . This may sacrifice the 3 sector time in qualy but it will be more beneficial in the race .
Define better.
Last year in qualy RB was the fastest with lower ratio than Ferrari and Macca but in race Ham flew by both ALO and VET even after they both squared off the hair pin corner for better traction. :mrgreen: .
Yes, but ALO and VET both had problems with tyre warmup, which meant they were on colder tyres than Hamilton. Arguably Hamilton had equal traction.
I think people know that they can afford 2 stops in Canada because one can overtake here and also the pin lane time loss is lesser than traditional circuits relatively (OPP)
Yes - very small, 13 seconds. IMO an OOP strategy will be quicker than OPP though. The big thing is the quickest race strategy for the Lotuses and the Ferraris. Lotus being kinder to its tyres may mean that OP is quicker (for their car) than OOP.
Sorry for late reply . I meant better in race because they can overtake other if they are on 2 stops more easily due to a bit better top end speeds in DRS zones a la Abu Dhabi 2012 :mrgreen:

Also I don't think anyone will try out 1 stop strategy because the pit lane time loss is less and loosing 2 secs a lap wrt cars on fresher tyres is a no brainer . I expect Lotus to be on the same strategy as the others (just that they can race more harder than them)

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iotar__ wrote:No, Vettel's pole expected and almost formality based on FP, Q1, Q2 and with a lack of challenge from Alonso. Hamilton's second was a surprise considering McLaren's qualifying pace,
By nailed i mean he took pole, no more then that.

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I´ll stick to my guns for Canada.

Merc RBR Quali-shootout,

Ferrari Lotus for the win. Not even Red Bull will be able to mount a challenge because of the tires.
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Any chance of Mercedes gaining the front row, and pushing throughout the race and doing 1 more stop than everyone else? ALA Ferrari.

Instead of trying to do the same stops and cruising.