Slighly off topic and nit picky but, bikes actually have very high drag compared to non open wheel cars.Blanchimont wrote:
The only advantage for bikes i can image are higher top speeds because of lower drag numbers
Blanchimont wrote:Red Bull is already involved in the Pikes Peak Hill Climb. They support both Loeb and Millen, the top two car drivers this year.
Red Bull Pikes Peak News
And i'm not sure if a F1 car will be faster up the road because Pikes Peak is not an usual smooth race track and has narrow turns that are difficult to take for a F1 car. The 208 of Loeb has more power than an F1 car, i would guess the same amount of downforce or slightly more, very wide tyres that provide grip, very short gear ratios that allow a top speed of 240kmh and a well prepared suspension that suits the track. The only "negative" point is the weight of 875kg, more than 200kg above F1 level, but weight isn't everything in racing.
Acceleration numbers are (source):
1,8s for 0-100 kmh (better than F1!)
7s for 0-240 kmh (similar to F1)
Yeah and im still not saying that actual car should run Pikes Peak, but one made for Pikes Peak with its starting point being from F1, just because its starting point will be F1 doesnt mean it will behave, look or act like one.Blanchimont wrote:Yeah, i know what car you're talking about, i've driven it already... in Gran Turismo!
But i still would say that this car will not take narrow corners as fast as Loeb's 208 because of the longer wheelbase of an F1.
And i'm pretty sure the Gran Turismo Newey car requires an absolutly smooth race track to work proper with its underbody, not what Pikes Peak is.
In an "unlimited" design an open wheel racer is inferior to a closed wheel design. It isnt without reason that that Red Bull thingy has wheel covers.Huntresa wrote:Maybe this has been asked before, but why doesnt anyone, like Red Bull who likes to do these kinds of things put up or build an F1 car for this ?
Or build an unlimited F1 car, like the one imagined by Newey for Grand Turismo, cause this has to be the only race where you can go real unlimited.
Yeah and in unlimited you can cover the wheels, so ?wesley123 wrote:In an "unlimited" design an open wheel racer is inferior to a closed wheel design. It isnt without reason that that Red Bull thingy has wheel covers.Huntresa wrote:Maybe this has been asked before, but why doesnt anyone, like Red Bull who likes to do these kinds of things put up or build an F1 car for this ?
Or build an unlimited F1 car, like the one imagined by Newey for Grand Turismo, cause this has to be the only race where you can go real unlimited.
As i said before the starting point would be F1 and all its fine stuff thru the years, like Active Suspension and ground effect.wesley123 wrote:So why building an "unlimited F1 car" when it's open wheel design is inferior in whatever way possible?
But a motogp bike is super slippery compared to the dirtbikes they run on Pikes Peak, and I'd guess your assumed power is too low for a motogp bike. Nowadays, they're more like 180 kW, maybe even more.Blanchimont wrote:I'm speaking of cd*A, not just cd.
Let's calculate!
Moto GP Top Speed: 349,288 kmh with 800ccm Honda, assumed power 154 kW
P = rho/2*cd*A*v³ -> cd*A = P / (rho/2*v³) = 154000 / (1,2/2*(349,288/3,6)³) = 0,281 m²
Normal road cars: cd ~0,3 A~2 m² cd*A = 0,6 m²
Non open wheel cars cd ~0,4 A~1,8m² cd*A = 0,72 m²
F1: cd ~1 A ~ 1,4 m² cd*A = 1,4 m²
Yeah its 180 kWPierce89 wrote:But a motogp bike is super slippery compared to the dirtbikes they run on Pikes Peak, and I'd guess your assumed power is too low for a motogp bike. Nowadays, they're more like 180 kW, maybe even more.Blanchimont wrote:I'm speaking of cd*A, not just cd.
Let's calculate!
Moto GP Top Speed: 349,288 kmh with 800ccm Honda, assumed power 154 kW
P = rho/2*cd*A*v³ -> cd*A = P / (rho/2*v³) = 154000 / (1,2/2*(349,288/3,6)³) = 0,281 m²
Normal road cars: cd ~0,3 A~2 m² cd*A = 0,6 m²
Non open wheel cars cd ~0,4 A~1,8m² cd*A = 0,72 m²
F1: cd ~1 A ~ 1,4 m² cd*A = 1,4 m²
Blanchimont wrote:It seems like Eurosport is broadcasting this year live from the race.
https://twitter.com/EurosportFrance/sta ... 1778044929
Online streams should be available through:
http://www.peugeot-sport.com/en/home.html
http://live.redbull.tv
http://www.ppihc.com
