Mercedes AMG F1 W04

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cherok1212 wrote:As a HAM fan I am starting to wonder if LH's brake problems have less to do with brake components and mechanisms and more to do with Nico Rosberg being crazy quick in an F1 car. I do hope that Merc AMG do not waste time and resources on an issue that can be remedied by the driver himself and instead focus on fuel mileage and not setting the rear tires on fire. [-o<
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Its a serious confidence problem, not a brake system problem. The same system has been capable of three poles and one win with one of the drivers.

Its all up to Lewis' confidence

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The_Truth wrote:Its a serious confidence problem, not a brake system problem. The same system has been capable of three poles and one win with one of the drivers.

Its all up to Lewis' confidence
Or it doesnt suit Lewis' driving style, and that is a problem. Also we are talking specifically about Lewis' car here.
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The_Truth wrote:Its a serious confidence problem, not a brake system problem. The same system has been capable of three poles and one win with one of the drivers.

Its all up to Lewis' confidence
I think he's troubled with the fact he hasn't won yet, the only other time he has gone so far into a season without winning one race is 2009. he probably thought deep down that Canada was one of his best chances after being beat in Monaco and his teammate already having one win, only to watch Vettel disappear into the distance. If he wins in Britain or Hungary all of these problems with both the car and his mind-set will probably disappear. But he did have braking problems in Australia with those lock ups so the car is partly to blame too.
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The_Truth wrote:Its a serious confidence problem, not a brake system problem. The same system has been capable of three poles and one win with one of the drivers.

Its all up to Lewis' confidence
Yea he´s just making the team spend hours changing various brake parts for nothing...
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SectorOne wrote:
The_Truth wrote:Its a serious confidence problem, not a brake system problem. The same system has been capable of three poles and one win with one of the drivers.

Its all up to Lewis' confidence
Yea he´s just making the team spend hours changing various brake parts for nothing...
The point he was trying to make is that the brake system works just fine as evidenced by Nico. The problem is that Lewis doesn't "like" the "feel" of the brakes. To be fair though, to perform at a maximum level, a diver needs confidence in what he's feeling from the car. I didn't see any reason for a sarcastic answer. I don't think the truth was criticizing Lewis, but pointing out that Mercedes didn't build a "bad" brake system.
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If you have ever driven a race car you would find that the feel of the brakes is a big,big part of making fast laps. The feel is what gives you the confidence. Lewis is looking for the feel that he had with the brakes when he was at mclaren.

Working with different drivers i have found that getting the right feel in the brakes can sometimes be a slow, painful process.

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Pierce89 wrote:
SectorOne wrote:
The_Truth wrote:Its a serious confidence problem, not a brake system problem. The same system has been capable of three poles and one win with one of the drivers.

Its all up to Lewis' confidence
Yea he´s just making the team spend hours changing various brake parts for nothing...
The point he was trying to make is that the brake system works just fine as evidenced by Nico.
But Hamilton is not Rosberg and vice versa. You could say they are two completely different components that will do similar results.
Overall both take the same car and do the same lap but in the details there´s a lot more difference then what you see on TV.
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Mika1 wrote:
cherok1212 wrote:As a HAM fan I am starting to wonder if LH's brake problems have less to do with brake components and mechanisms and more to do with Nico Rosberg being crazy quick in an F1 car. I do hope that Merc AMG do not waste time and resources on an issue that can be remedied by the driver himself and instead focus on fuel mileage and not setting the rear tires on fire. [-o<
Strange Hamilton fans these days, they don't even believe their own driver. Ross Brawn said they are working on it and it's a serious problem.
As I said before, I'd rather Brawn be working on rear tire degradation, fuel consumption, adding downforce and extracting himself from the equivalent of your wife walking in seeing you and her best friend doing the horizontal mamba (Pirelli scandal) than chasing some imaginary brake issue.
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Imaginary. But of course it is.
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Are we going to see any changes to those rear wing endplates? I know you can't just rip off other parts of other cars but I feel there is at least some development to be done down there to extract some more performance from the diffuser.
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cherok1212 wrote: As I said before, I'd rather Brawn be working on rear tire degradation, fuel consumption, adding downforce and extracting himself from the equivalent of your wife walking in seeing you and her best friend doing the horizontal mamba (Pirelli scandal) than chasing some imaginary brake issue.
Well if Hamilton is going to gain half a second by fixing the brakes alone, then it's not such a bad path to take.
It's just like fixing kimi's steering wheel. And look where that put him once the problem was sorted out.
It's worth ivesting time to solve that brake feeling thing, because even rosberg could benefit.
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cherok1212 wrote:As I said before, I'd rather Brawn be working on rear tire degradation, fuel consumption, adding downforce and extracting himself from the equivalent of your wife walking in seeing you and her best friend doing the horizontal mamba (Pirelli scandal) than chasing some imaginary brake issue.
I think that's an extremely narrow way of how to look at it. The best combination is always when the car and the driver is working in perfect harmony. The car is nothing without the driver and the driver is nothing without the car. To a certain degree, I'd even go as far to say that it's not necessarely the best car in a technical sense that is important, but a car that works in perfect harmony with the driver. And confidence is where everything starts and ends. If you don't have the confidence in the car in certain situations, how can you expect a driver to put his life on the line and drive at the absolute limit?

I think the topic you are touching on is valid to a certain degree: Rosberg has cought him out. Of course he has - Hamilton effectively came into F1, matched the two times world champion from the get-go and has since had a measure of every team-mate in his entire career. Who wouldn't be cought out? It's an entirely new situation - new team, new people, new car, and I'm sure new communication process. Maybe Hamilton is fixated about it being down to a brake-issue. Maybe it is - maybe it's the first time that Hamilton has to go to that length to make sure the package is that perfect to be ontop of his team-mate? One way or the other, working on the drivers needs is just as important as working on the car.

You can have the perfect car, but if the driver can't drive it (that fast), what's the point? And to add another small point; Rosberg might simply have different needs, and thus, has been extracting more out of the car on the whole?
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Didn't Ham also have brake problems at Macca? I remember him locking brakes all the time last year--it was/is a real thorn for him. Maybe Nico is indeed getting into his well known soft psyche.

Steve Matchett constantly insists both drivers get equal cars and treatment within a team. To me that says it really comes down to the drivers ability to just get in and just drive the wheels off the car. Alonso indeed did it last year and almost won the whole dam thing with a P.O.S. car...there's something to be said for that.

Maybe brakes are simply a weakness for Ham in F1, and he'll just have to figure it out. Rosburg certainly has. Hopefully Ham will also. He's exciting to watch no question.
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