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Take a look at this guys:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/blog ... -hamilton/
Reasonable theory? But do you think Lewis has sorted it out now, because silverstone qualy was like the old hamilton came back? And in the race, we saw an onboard of him behind di resta, and into turn 3 lewis was reallyy late on the brakes. has he got his confidence back do you reckon?
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theformula wrote:Take a look at this guys:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/blog ... -hamilton/
Reasonable theory? But do you think Lewis has sorted it out now, because silverstone qualy was like the old hamilton came back? And in the race, we saw an onboard of him behind di resta, and into turn 3 lewis was reallyy late on the brakes. has he got his confidence back do you reckon?
He did say he ran a lower seat this weekend.
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n smikle wrote:
FoxHound wrote:The car being unsettled at high speed turn in is a flaw Mercedes have had since the banning of the DDD.
Rosberg may be spot on in his assessment this cars diffuser is the problem.
Looking at earlier pictures of the cars diffuser, it also seems apparent that it remains largely untouched from testing spec.

Easy to say focus on the diffuser. Maybe it works wonderfully, but something ahead maybe distorting the picture.
I am not sure about the high speed stability but I think the width of their diffuser is the main cause of their tyre wear issues.
Good points by Fox. But please do explain how the width is causing the tyre wear? The Lotus tire wear is minimal in comparison and their diffuser exits 90 degrees out.
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Owen.C93 wrote:
theformula wrote:Take a look at this guys:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/blog ... -hamilton/
Reasonable theory? But do you think Lewis has sorted it out now, because silverstone qualy was like the old hamilton came back? And in the race, we saw an onboard of him behind di resta, and into turn 3 lewis was reallyy late on the brakes. has he got his confidence back do you reckon?
He did say he ran a lower seat this weekend.
Where does it say that he ran with a lower seat?
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Lewis was talking about his seat being low on a sky program over the weekend. May have been the sunday build up. But I heard him talking about how low his seat was. Although I dont recall him saying it was lower, but I may have missed that bit
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theformula wrote:Take a look at this guys:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/blog ... -hamilton/
Reasonable theory? But do you think Lewis has sorted it out now, because silverstone qualy was like the old hamilton came back? And in the race, we saw an onboard of him behind di resta, and into turn 3 lewis was reallyy late on the brakes. has he got his confidence back do you reckon?
Perhaps it has something to do with chassis length. Is it inconceivable that they changed the length? Such things were done by McLaren in the past. They used to have a special chassis for Monaco. Why not have a different one for Lewis if he needs high speed stability.
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WhiteBlue wrote:
theformula wrote:Take a look at this guys:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/blog ... -hamilton/
Reasonable theory? But do you think Lewis has sorted it out now, because silverstone qualy was like the old hamilton came back? And in the race, we saw an onboard of him behind di resta, and into turn 3 lewis was reallyy late on the brakes. has he got his confidence back do you reckon?
Perhaps it has something to do with chassis length. Is it inconceivable that they changed the length? Such things were done by McLaren in the past. They used to have a special chassis for Monaco. Why not have a different one for Lewis if he needs high speed stability.

FIA rule - both cars need to be identical.

Also, they've changed the wheelbase in the past, there hasn't been any such change this year.

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Nando wrote:
stefan_ wrote:That was not the point. The point was that continuing this "let's mock the W04" attitude is not constructive and it drags other people into making the same.
So no criticism of the Mercedes, i get it.

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...or it's simply the brakes as he says. People have a tendency to complicate things.
If you know Hamilton you'd realize how far off the racecarengineering article is.
you don't even need to be a fan, just know the basics of what makes him quick.
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dren wrote:
n smikle wrote:
FoxHound wrote:The car being unsettled at high speed turn in is a flaw Mercedes have had since the banning of the DDD.
Rosberg may be spot on in his assessment this cars diffuser is the problem.
Looking at earlier pictures of the cars diffuser, it also seems apparent that it remains largely untouched from testing spec.

Easy to say focus on the diffuser. Maybe it works wonderfully, but something ahead maybe distorting the picture.
I am not sure about the high speed stability but I think the width of their diffuser is the main cause of their tyre wear issues.
Good points by Fox. But please do explain how the width is causing the tyre wear? The Lotus tire wear is minimal in comparison and their diffuser exits 90 degrees out.
The heat of the exhaust affecting the tyres. Notice Mercedes made a modification to their diffuser for Silverstone.. they put some extra vanes near the diffuser edges.
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blogf1.it is really accurate, if you can read italian or the translator is good enough, here's the change in the rear suspension, pick up point brought back

Before https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/15/mer2dv.jpg
UK http://formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutton/2 ... 9ju517.jpg

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diego.liv wrote:blogf1.it is really accurate, if you can read italian or the translator is good enough, here's the change in the rear suspension, pick up point brought back

Before https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/15/mer2dv.jpg
UK http://formula1.com/wi/enlarge/sutton/2 ... 9ju517.jpg
Thank you for that!

Also notice in UK pic, just behind the brake duct in the shot, one can spot the extra guide/vane/channel/thingymagiggy on the floor.
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SectorOne wrote:...or it's simply the brakes as he says. People have a tendency to complicate things.
I think it's the FRIC. When you have an hydraulic system that somehow prevents diving under breaking making the front suspension stiffer it's probably harder to "feel" the brake.

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.poz wrote:
SectorOne wrote:...or it's simply the brakes as he says. People have a tendency to complicate things.
I think it's the FRIC. When you have an hydraulic system that somehow prevents diving under breaking making the front suspension stiffer it's probably harder to "feel" the brake.
I'd make a guess and say that his mclarens have been stiffer in the front end.
both him and the team said they are changing brake parts, yet people come up with all kinds of other theories,
(which would be fine, assuming nobody at Merc had mentioned anything about what the problem is)
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I have readed somewhere (amus or autosport, can't remember sorry) that they started to get on top of the tyre wear issues already in Canada, but at the cost of reduced tyre grip of which they lost track due extreme fixation on the tyre wear. They then went on that they rectified the loss of grip with updates in Silverstone.

Compared to last year, that's a massive difference. They look very capable of getting the problem solved this year. It's telling, because they are getting on top of a 3 year old persisting problem.
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