2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[bhall]

Looks like Ferrari is already in trouble with their new engine.

Next year, with an engine having somewhere between 600 and 650 horsepower and an additional 160 horsepower coming from the ERS, if you add the two it’s very similar to what you have today.

Is there still time for the Maranello squad to find that 900bhp everyone's talking about?

[xpensive]

Looks like Ferrari is already in trouble with their new engine.

Next year, with an engine having somewhere between 600 and 650 horsepower and an additional 160 horsepower coming from the ERS, if you add the two it’s very similar to what you have today.

Is there still time for the Maranello squad to find that 900bhp everyone's talking about?

900 Hp? Fagedid.

[djos]

So nostalgic petrol head glory helps nothing with the issues we are facing today.

Just a bit of reminiscing, my original point was more to do with the lack of driver penalties due to mechanical failures.

for next year I'm concerned we'll end up with fuel economy racing and that's not fun at all!

Ps, nostalgia is awesome, it's why I still own a Commodore 64, Amiga 500 and Amiga 1200.

[WhiteBlue]

Looks like Ferrari is already in trouble with their new engine.

Next year, with an engine having somewhere between 600 and 650 horsepower and an additional 160 horsepower coming from the ERS, if you add the two it’s very similar to what you have today.

Is there still time for the Maranello squad to find that 900bhp everyone's talking about?

I would challenge the view that everybody is talking about 900 bhp with the conviction that it will be seen in 2014. I rather think that only some dreamers consider that figure seriously or very conservative tyre engineers who want to go belt and braces, at least not people who look carefully at their sources.

If you read what you posted you will find that Marmorini expects the spread between 760 and 810 bhp. That is a variation of 6% which isn't particularly remarkable for a first year homologation, and there are good reasons for that. The new power train is already conceived as a spec engine with frozen performance. It will be a necessary component for constructors that is supposed to have little or no impact on their competitiveness. Such is the nature of the suppressive regime that constructors execute over the sport. They want to be able to waste all their money on meaningless aero games. It is a shame really.

[Cold Fussion]

I miss the days of 1 engine and 1 gearbox per race weekend!

I get your point, but it is kinda cool how reliable the new engines will be with similar power to the 1988 turbo engines, except now the same engine could potentially run a whole Le Mans race.

Errr the Turbo's I was watching in the 80's had 1000-1500HP in Qually trim and 800-900HP in the Race, the new ones will be 800'ish HP all the time from what we know - sure the reliability will be impressive but 80's Turbo's really sorted the men from the boys imo.

PS, the qually motors where nicknamed "hand grenades" because they lasted for about 5mins before detonating!

I specifically said 1988, when the boost was limited to 2.5 bar from memory. From the SAE paper on Honda engine of 1988 (can't remember the exact model name sorry), it had around ~650-680 hp in race trim.

[bhall]

I would challenge the view...

You're right. This is no place for humor.

[xpensive]

I would challenge the view...

You're right. This is no place for humor.

I'm with WB here, the rash talk of 900 Hp was obviously marketing, while I can see ringo's point of a realistic efficiency clearly, if we get 650 engine Hp and an assistant 160, I think we should be happy with that.

Still 300 Hp more than Ronnie had when he won his first GP at Paul Ricard, almost xactly 40 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQR1_i0Wu88

Ronnie, Emerson and Jody, those were the days.

[Holm86]

If 800-810 hp is realistic then i think its great. Its more HP than current cars and a massive increase in torque as well.

That must call for a very different driving style?

[xpensive]

I was thinking that we would get away from this torque-talk, it's all about power to the wheels.

When BMW's Paul Rosche granted Nelson boost for 1300 Hp at Östereichring Q 1984, it had nothing to do with torque.

Just brute and absolute power, then handled with a manual gearshift.

I was there, beholding an F1 car on roids, dry ice was all over the place, memories in time.

And the way Nelson handled those 1300 Hp for a lap or two, oh mama.

[Holm86]

Power?? That's a very Jeremy Clarkson simple kind of way to put it. What the hell is power if its not torque and kilowatts?

[xpensive]

Power?? That's a very Jeremy Clarkson simple kind of way to put it. What the hell is power if its not torque and kilowatts?

Perhaps Clarkson is not xactly an engineer, trust WB more than him, I suggest following this thread could be educutaive?

[Cold Fussion]

Power?? That's a very Jeremy Clarkson simple kind of way to put it. What the hell is power if its not torque and kilowatts?

Power is measured in kilowatts.

[Holm86]

I was thinking that we would get away from this torque-talk, it's all about power to the wheels.

You were the one who wanted to talk about power ...

[Cold Fussion]

I was thinking that we would get away from this torque-talk, it's all about power to the wheels.

You were the one who wanted to talk about power ...

This isn't figurative language.

[WhiteBlue]

If 800-810 hp is realistic then i think its great. Its more HP than current cars and a massive increase in torque as well.

That must call for a very different driving style?

That depends of what you understand about it. I'm sure there will not be a significant turbo lag if that is your gist.
On the other hand the higher torque in low revs could mean it will be easier to start these cars and you might have to switch gears less.