This or that, what graham did is irrelevant to todays formula.
if he lived today he would not be drifting into corners on purpose.
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to add more confution too,in one of his editorials on the BBC website He also said that the W0-4 is the best car he has ever driven .raymondu999 wrote:Hill says he power drifts the entry though, not the exit.
About Hamilton, I don't buy that he's talking about skill. He clearly says he likes oversteer to AUTOSPORT, and he likes grippy rear to BBC. Both clearly referred to preference, not ability (though I don't doubt hamilton's gladiatorial abilities to swashbuckle a car driving like its rear tyres are on snow)
I could almost buy the one that he has adapted between the interviews (thus meaning he was truthful in both interviews, just that his preferences changed) but I don't think they were that far apart.
To add fuel to the fire, he has said in the Silverstone quali press conference that the Mercedes' balance is the least favorable to him of all the cars he's driven. Or something to that effect - I forget his words
Yeah the only thing i can think of is that he may do that to put less load through the tyres and therefore will get better acceleration out of the corner?JimClarkFan wrote:On the subject of Lewis once again.
Brundle, and Coultard, have both mentioned on air something peculiar about Lewis' pole laps within the last year or so, on certain corners (not all). Below are some onboards from silverstone, pay attention to turn 6 and 7, along with Coultards commentary on the bbc version.
The crux of it is that Lewis is turning the car in very early to some corners, moreso than the other drivers who regularly claim pole laps (Vettel, Webber, Alonso etc), and moreso than the typical trail braker it would seem.
In the Hamilton video below, from this year at Silverstone, you can hear Coultard mention several times at how early Lewis is turning into the corner. This is compared with Jenson in Silverstone in 2011 (a year when it was admittedly a bit slippy). Notice that Jenson brakes straight and then turns, same with Webber, whereas Lewis flicks the car at the corner first, and then brakes.
Brundle commented on the exact same thing at one point over the Austin GP weekendlast year, and mentioned that Lewis was doing it on other pole laps during 2012. Brundle's explanation, though it seemed he wasn't sure, was that by turning the car in earlier and directing it to the corner, he was lengthening the braking zone, which in turn allowed him to break later.
That seems logical, what is confusing though, is how Lewis manages to get a good exit.
Hamilton - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23113754 (with Coultard Commentary)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxZ2cqJu2iA (with graphical speed, and brake display.
Button 2011 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0nC9QE_4Ts
Webber pole 2011 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/14092303
Alonso 2013 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKboylIzg0
Schumacher 2012 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IotCYSDWZ8 (closer to Hamiltons style, not a quali lap)
The closest video I have for comparison is Jenson in 2011, though I think Vettel or Webber took pole
It's hard to make a convincing case from two corners of the one video, I wish I could find more comparisons, but unfortunately many of the F1 pole laps have disappeared of youtube.
Yep - that was in 2011. BBC did a VT which showed the two drivers talking about their fights in Turkey 2011 - and Jenson was telling Lewis, "Mate you try to carry way too much speed into 9 and 10 (the chicane after Turn 8 and before the back straight) and so you lose out on the exit. I was braking earlier than you but getting a cleaner exit."JimClarkFan wrote:Ray - I think it is that but more besides... it is a clear difference in line taken into the corner, and a different philosophy from most others. I suspect that nobody can really explain it, Lewis talks about liking to brake as late as possible, and if an early turn in is extending the breaking zone then maybe that is his preferred way of doing it.
theform - Lewis always likes to carry a lot of speed in, there is even a video of him arguing with Jenson about it Turkey lol. What gets me is not that he is carrying more speed in, but is he carrying more speed out? and if he isn't carrying more speed out does is the total time for the corner less with his method? It would seem that yes is faster, the difficulty is not understand if Lewis is carrying more speed in, but what he is doing mid corner and on exit that allows to keep that speed up.
It is a bit confusing.
Yeah i saw that as well, but that was in 2011 and i think lewis is a much more accomplished driver now and I would like to think that he now knows what corners require braking a bit earlier in order to reduce the lap time.raymondu999 wrote:Yep - that was in 2011. BBC did a VT which showed the two drivers talking about their fights in Turkey 2011 - and Jenson was telling Lewis, "Mate you try to carry way too much speed into 9 and 10 (the chicane after Turn 8 and before the back straight) and so you lose out on the exit. I was braking earlier than you but getting a cleaner exit."JimClarkFan wrote:Ray - I think it is that but more besides... it is a clear difference in line taken into the corner, and a different philosophy from most others. I suspect that nobody can really explain it, Lewis talks about liking to brake as late as possible, and if an early turn in is extending the breaking zone then maybe that is his preferred way of doing it.
theform - Lewis always likes to carry a lot of speed in, there is even a video of him arguing with Jenson about it Turkey lol. What gets me is not that he is carrying more speed in, but is he carrying more speed out? and if he isn't carrying more speed out does is the total time for the corner less with his method? It would seem that yes is faster, the difficulty is not understand if Lewis is carrying more speed in, but what he is doing mid corner and on exit that allows to keep that speed up.
It is a bit confusing.
Well they were discussing the differences in technique during a battle with Jenson, but the point Ray is making still stands because on the face of it, Lewis is doing what Rob Wilson saying, flicking the car in early with the lightest touch. Now I believe there is more to it than that, that said though, I feel Ray was spot on in some respects.SectorOne wrote:They are discussing the battle, not a hotlap.
Both Lewis and Jenson knows how to battle but sometimes you are in the wrong spot and you can´t do anything about it because there´s another car next to you.
Same thing with Lewis getting a better exit on to the straight because he straightened out the last corner while Button was forced to take a tighter line.
It´s a chess game of positioning your car right and thinking 2 sometimes 3 corners ahead of where you are to make sure you have the advantage at the last corner which nullifies the battle.
Yea not disputing that, just answered the post above mine as it seemed he thought they were discussing hotlaps.JimClarkFan wrote:Well they were discussing the differences in technique during a battle with Jenson, but the point Ray is making still stands because on the face of it, Lewis is doing what Rob Wilson saying, flicking the car in early with the lightest touch. Now I believe there is more to it than that, that said though, I feel Ray was spot on in some respects.SectorOne wrote:They are discussing the battle, not a hotlap.
Both Lewis and Jenson knows how to battle but sometimes you are in the wrong spot and you can´t do anything about it because there´s another car next to you.
Same thing with Lewis getting a better exit on to the straight because he straightened out the last corner while Button was forced to take a tighter line.
It´s a chess game of positioning your car right and thinking 2 sometimes 3 corners ahead of where you are to make sure you have the advantage at the last corner which nullifies the battle.
I'm confused, what corners are they referring to? It sounds like they mean the corner 6 and 7.theformula wrote:People may find this interesting, it's about lewis' pole lap at silverstone. Let me know what you think!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qoKDZe ... youtu.be&a