2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[autogyro]

If 800-810 hp is realistic then i think its great. Its more HP than current cars and a massive increase in torque as well.

That must call for a very different driving style?

That depends of what you understand about it. I'm sure there will not be a significant turbo lag if that is your gist.
On the other hand the higher torque in low revs could mean it will be easier to start these cars and you might have to switch gears less.

With the projected powertrain layout for 2014, I can see the tyres suffering much more than this year.
Control over energy recovery and application will be less controlled than it is now.

[Holm86]

If 800-810 hp is realistic then i think its great. Its more HP than current cars and a massive increase in torque as well.

That must call for a very different driving style?

That depends of what you understand about it. I'm sure there will not be a significant turbo lag if that is your gist.
On the other hand the higher torque in low revs could mean it will be easier to start these cars and you might have to switch gears less.

Wasn't thinking about turbo-lag. I know how they will eliminate that. I was talking about the higher torque as you say.
I think they will have to be more carful when applying throttle exiting a corner. Not like now.

And what do you think about gear ratios?? I don't think they will be as close as they are now. But then again now they will have 8 forward gears. Personally I think that 8'th gear won't be used on all tracks. Because of fixed ratios from next year. (With exception of Monaco if I remember correctly?).

[Holm86]

I was thinking that we would get away from this torque-talk, it's all about power to the wheels.

You were the one who wanted to talk about power ...

This isn't figurative language.

Sorry but I don't understand what you are talking about?

[WhiteBlue]

I was talking about the higher torque as you say.
I think they will have to be more carful when applying throttle exiting a corner. Not like now.

And what do you think about gear ratios?? I don't think they will be as close as they are now. But then again now they will have 8 forward gears. Personally I think that 8'th gear won't be used on all tracks. Because of fixed ratios from next year. (With exception of Monaco if I remember correctly?).

Pirelli was estimating 30 kph more straight line speed and spinning the wheels in 3 rd gear.

[SectorOne]

30km/h more straightline speed? That only works if you adapt the gearing for it as the cars have no problems hitting the limiter today.

And if you have that extra crunch you might as well use that for better acceleration then top speed as that seems to be the way to go these days.

I would also not put to much weight into Pirelli´s estimations considering their track record at estimations

[WhiteBlue]

30km/h more straightline speed? That only works if you adapt the gearing for it as the cars have no problems hitting the limiter today.

And if you have that extra crunch you might as well use that for better acceleration then top speed as that seems to be the way to go these days.

I would also not put to much weight into Pirelli´s estimations considering their track record at estimations

The increased straight line speed will primarily come from reduced drag IMO. Drag will reduce according to Charlie Whiting.

[SectorOne]

But again you are still locked to what gearing you run. You´ll only increase top speed if you change gearing.
Otherwise all of that will only result in you hitting your top speed faster.

[WhiteBlue]

You´ll only increase top speed if you change gearing. Otherwise all of that will only result in you hitting your top speed faster.

I would think that gearboxes will have a 100% re design for 2014 anyway. With torque going from 350 to 600 Nm it can't be any other way.

[Cold Fussion]

But again you are still locked to what gearing you run. You´ll only increase top speed if you change gearing.
Otherwise all of that will only result in you hitting your top speed faster.

I think because they have 8 gears now and have to run the same ratios at every race (is this correct?), then you'll probably see 8th gear geared for Monza (330-350 km/h in todays cars), which means at other tracks like Spa or China they could very well go 30 km/h faster if in a slipstream/DRS open.

[WhiteBlue]

That is certainly one aspect. But you also have to consider that the energy budget changes, the drag gets reduced, top speed increases and cornering speeds will drop in high speed corners. All of those effects will require a totally new balance of the gearing for the season. Corner entry speed will go down while traction out of corners will increase. It's another ball game for the aerodynamicist and the gear box man to play. You basically get dealt a new deck.

[xpensive]

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Pirelli was estimating 30 kph more straight line speed and spinning the wheels in 3 rd gear.

This should indicate a 30+% Hp increase, as power moves with the cube of the speed due the to air-resistance.

Nice marketing but no, 1000 Hp we will not see.

[WhiteBlue]

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Pirelli was estimating 30 kph more straight line speed and spinning the wheels in 3 rd gear.

This should indicate a 30+% Hp increase, as power moves with the cube of the speed due the to air-resistance.

Nice marketing but no, 1000 Hp we will not see.

I think you need to elaborate a bit further. Do you deny that strait line speed will rise due to significant reduction of drag? All sources so far agree that drag will go down and peak power will rise.

Or do you consider the changes to the torque curve exaggerated?

[Huntresa]

I think it will take a few years and they have clawed back most downforce, FIA cant make rules without loopholes.

[riff_raff]

Wasn't thinking about turbo-lag. I know how they will eliminate that. I was talking about the higher torque as you say.I think they will have to be more carful when applying throttle exiting a corner. Not like now......

The rules allow for some very interesting possibilities regarding KERS and turbo lag. For example, it may be possible to keep the turbine spooled going into a corner, and thus more ready to quickly respond out of the corner, by using the KERS to maintain a load on the engine.

[WhiteBlue]

Not the kinetic MGU though. It's the MGU-h which is attached to the turbo shaft that keeps the turbo spooled up.