Mercedes AMG F1 W04

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Incredible at what pace Mercedes is cranking out the updates. It has been right up there with Ferrari and Red Bull, and together with the latter has the highest succes rate concerning the updates.
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turbof1 wrote:Incredible at what pace Mercedes is cranking out the updates. It has been right up there with Ferrari and Red Bull, and together with the latter has the highest succes rate concerning the updates.
Yes, every update they brought has stayed on the car. So the team is making real progress.

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Germany 2013 - Thursday (04.07.2013)

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"...and there, very much in flames, is Jacques Laffite's Ligier. That's obviously a turbo blaze, and of course, Laffite will be able to see that conflagration in his mirrors... he is coolly parking the car somewhere safe." Murray Walker, San Marino 1985

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New rear wing with a BIGGER leading edge, more surface area

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MercAMGF1Fans wrote:New rear wing with a BIGGER leading edge, more surface area
It was already used in Australia and Malaysia (even appeared on the car during launch in Jerez), before being replaced with more conventional mainplane with straight leading edge in China.

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The development pace of this car is amazing. I hope we will see more updates soon.
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New nose

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krisfx wrote:
dans79 wrote:
That was interesting, I find the comments about them being hand made, and variable kind of interesting. for the cost, you would think pirelli would be providing matched sets with very tight tolerances.

Interestingly, they say that if you mount the tyres on the wrong way around, the inner shoulder is still on the inside as the wheel can only be mounted in one way.

This begs the question: How can Pirelli cite this as a way of the shoulder cutting? Surely if the wheels were on the right way, they would still suffer from shoulder cutting.

right, cause the tires come mounted you can only switch wheels between sides....essentially Pirelli just BS'd everyone about sidewall strength

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mantikos wrote:New nose
New nose? are you sure?

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heimana wrote:
mantikos wrote:New nose
New nose? are you sure?


look at the previous page

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mantikos wrote:
heimana wrote:
mantikos wrote:New nose
New nose? are you sure?


look at the previous page
Thank you i didn't see, it's really beautiful!! looks like ferrari

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Great Britain 2013 - Thursday (27.06.2013)

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even the number of drag reducing slits has increased aka new rear wing endplates

essentially a whole new rear wing connsidering they've never used that main plane with that end plate.

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turbof1 wrote:Incredible at what pace Mercedes is cranking out the updates. It has been right up there with Ferrari and Red Bull, and together with the latter has the highest succes rate concerning the updates.
Which is interesting when I remember back to Ross Brawn's comments last year that their relatively late move from 50% to 60% windtunnel was partly because of a fear that increased model size would decrease the rate of prototyping and therefore decrease the volume of new parts they could try.

Mercedes has since 2011 (perhaps before) been a team whose upgrades have tended to work (contrast with Ferrari!), but their previous problem being a lack of upgrade volume.

I wonder if we're seeing the fast-convergence part of the learning curve - with their previous 50%-optimal configuration showing huge inefficiency under 60% testing conditions so that even vague design corrections show a clear improvement.

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I think it also is due to a relative simple aero package at the beginning of the season. They have a very good understanding of the car, which on top of all is mechanically probably the best car out there. It is just a very near design in its core, which helps inmensively when bringing updates. Probably their cfd, simulator and updated windtunnel are by now also state-of-the-art. They can see very early what works and what not.

Given all of that, they have a high correlation between pieces in development and the reality. It is a very streamlined process. Kind of worrying for teams like red bull is that their car is much further up the curve; they will not be able to bring updates that bring as much as improvement as potentially the mercedes' ones can. Imagine how fast mercedes will be once they got to the point they add small vortice generators on the FW.
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I think they went back to basics while designing this car. It was stated that the W04 was just a simple F1 car, but with loads of room for improvement. We just starting to see the results.
Another potential part for improvement maybe will be the difuser.