2013 German GP - Nurburgring

[Traction]

Did the german guy (cant remember name) who were doing the Q&A openly ask Vettel how does it feel to have Kimi as team mate next year? Sound like its a done deal or something?

He did and Vettel ignored it completely to his credit

[henra]

Ah the fanboy squad is early today. I've been expecting you...

As strange as it is that bad luck seems to stick to certain guys firmly, but have you understood the Bonus systm of FIA for remunerating teams in order to appreciate the likelyhood of this being more than plain old 'Bad Luck'?
If you did you would have noticed that they don't get a Penny for WDC but they get money for each WCC point.
So you basically say they throw away money in order to favour one driver, just because they like him better?
Take of your Tin Foil Hat and face reality. Sh*t happens...
Just ask SV how happy he was to loose 25 points due to the Gearbox giving up on him in Silverstone.

[mnmracer]

Rosberg should have let lewis through, Lewis may have been able to be on the podium.
Not very sportsmanlike there.

Yeah, he owes him after Malaysia...

[ajinomoto]

What's wrong with Lotus' pitwall? They should have let Kimi pass Gro way earlier! If it was Ferrari, RB, or MBenz, clear orders would have been given right away! It's really obvious that Gro was not catching Vet at all. Unlike Kimi, when released, was eating a lot of time from Vettel but ran out of laps in the end. Unbelievable!

[TheRMVR]

Ah the fanboy squad is early today. I've been expecting you...

As strange as it is that bad luck seems to stick to certain guys firmly, but have you understood the Bonus systm of FIA for remunerating teams in order to appreciate the likelyhood of this being more than plain old 'Bad Luck'?
If you did you would have noticed that they don't get a Penny for WDC but they get money for each WCC point.
So you basically say they throw away money in order to favour one driver, just because they like him better?
Take of your Tin Foil Hat and face reality. Sh*t happens...
Just ask SV how happy he was to loose 25 points due to the Gearbox giving up on him in Silverstone.

That's not the point at all. All I am saying is that it would've been the first time since Malaysia that Webber got in front of Vettel or in fighting distance at least. Now when is the last time RedBull messed up a pit stop like that? How easy is it for the team to make that stop take just 2 seconds longer and not lose a place to anyone nor get Vettel and Webber fighting, cause we all know what happens then. Much more damage then a futile few seconds.

I'm not even saying they did that on purpose, but if you didn't even raise your eyebrows when it was happenening you're either blind or naive...

[GrizzleBoy]

Rosberg should have let lewis through, Lewis may have been able to be on the podium.
Not very sportsmanlike there.

Yeah, he owes him after Malaysia...

Difference is that it was the team making decisions back then and Lewis wasn't actually fighting Rosberg. They were also both isolated from any danger from front or back and were set for a large haul of points.

This time, Rosberg made his own decision to be non-compliant and slowed both of the cars down at a time where the effects were going to be much worse.

After passing Rosberg, Lewis' next stint brought him out behind a tonne of traffic which could have been avoided if Rosberg wasn't fighting him so hard while also on a different strategy.

[turbof1]

Yup, Mercedes clearly fixed their tyre issues at the test... Not.

For one thing these are now different tyres and the one big thing they found at that test, the rear tyre swapping which they started doing from Moncao, they now cannot do -
For someone who professes to know a great deal about this topic (including what Ferrari didn't test with) you do know all this, right? This is a technical forum, right?

No but don't you find it strange? We had so many people claiming before the race how much progress Mercedes has made since the test. Now that that theory has been put to test and failed, I really do not hope they come back with an excuse. Mercedes did made some small gains from it, but nowhere near what people make it look like.

FYI, the ban on tyre swapping is there for all teams. Eeven if Mercedes started using it in Monaco, the ban on itself is not a disadvantage. Every team had to stop doing it. Everybody gets the same disadvantage.

and the problems that went away in the last few races have all of a sudden returned. Not that I'm unhappy about that.

Wow, how weird is that /sarcasm? I mean jeez it does look so sudden, nowhere there was an indication that struggling with the tyres would have been a possibility for Mercedes, except... oh wait, all races until now except Monaco, Montreal and Silverstone.

Again, I am not claiming that Mercedes did not gain anything from that test. It would have helped them out a iittle, but the effects of it are being over excegerated.

Ah the fanboy squad is early today. I've been expecting you...

As strange as it is that bad luck seems to stick to certain guys firmly, but have you understood the Bonus systm of FIA for remunerating teams in order to appreciate the likelyhood of this being more than plain old 'Bad Luck'?
If you did you would have noticed that they don't get a Penny for WDC but they get money for each WCC point.
So you basically say they throw away money in order to favour one driver, just because they like him better?
Take of your Tin Foil Hat and face reality. Sh*t happens...
Just ask SV how happy he was to loose 25 points due to the Gearbox giving up on him in Silverstone.

That's not the point at all. All I am saying is that it would've been the first time since Malaysia that Webber got in front of Vettel or in fighting distance at least. Now when is the last time RedBull messed up a pit stop like that? How easy is it for the team to make that stop take just 2 seconds longer and not lose a place to anyone nor get Vettel and Webber fighting, cause we all know what happens then. Much more damage then a futile few seconds.

I'm not even saying they did that on purpose, but if you didn't even raise your eyebrows when it was happenening you're either blind or naive...

Or it means he just doesn't believe in conspiracy theories. Doesn't make him naïve, just realistic. I did raised my eyebrows btw, but for a complete different reason.

[henra]

Now when is the last time RedBull messed up a pit stop like that? How easy is it for the team to make that stop take just 2 seconds longer and not lose a place to anyone nor get Vettel and Webber fighting, cause we all know what happens then. Much more damage then a futile few seconds.

You mean they botched a botched pit stop ?

[TheRMVR]

Now when is the last time RedBull messed up a pit stop like that? How easy is it for the team to make that stop take just 2 seconds longer and not lose a place to anyone nor get Vettel and Webber fighting, cause we all know what happens then. Much more damage then a futile few seconds.

You mean they botched a botched pit stop ?

Hehe I'm sure they didn't expect Webber to just leave..
In all honesty though, chances are it was not on purpose, all Im saying is it would be so easy and the odds are against them looking at the past. In the end it was the best thing that could've happened for Vettels chances of winning though, we might have had a different race on our hands with Webber leading the pack..

[LionKing]

Rosberg should have let lewis through, Lewis may have been able to be on the podium.
Not very sportsmanlike there.

It probably wouldn't have mattered...
There was Hulkenberg just in front of Rosberg and Lewis couldn't pass him for a long time later in the race (I think till Hulkenberg pitted)

[LionKing]

They never mess up Vettel's stop I would say

They only mess up his gearbox and kers.

Dind't they mess Vettel's stop at title decider Brasil last year?

[iotar__]

What's wrong with Lotus' pitwall? They should have let Kimi pass Gro way earlier! If it was Ferrari, RB, or MBenz, clear orders would have been given right away! It's really obvious that Gro was not catching Vet at all. Unlike Kimi, when released, was eating a lot of time from Vettel but ran out of laps in the end. Unbelievable!

What are you talking about? The only way they could have given Raikkonen more advantage and Grosjean less was if they stopped the latter, dragged him out of the car and shot him.

Raikkonen was too slow on softs, it's not like after team orders he did anything to overtake Vettel, did he? To use team orders you need to be close enough, on much fresher AND faster tyres. Compared to both Grosjean and Vettel.

Now cheer-leading to keep his job Boullier blames Hamilton and Raikkonen blames third pitstop - comedy gold. I'm not sure which one is funnier. Weaselish, delusional, avoiders of truth.

Does anyone wonder why they didn't try to go for Grosjean's win? If it hadn't worked out they always could have used team orders. Same with Raikkonen also getting in front of Vettel. Several reasons spring to mind but I can't be bothered to type. Boullier's explanation points towards one They threw away the win in obvious way and now pretend something else.

[stefan_]

Red Bull got a 30 000€ fine for Mark's unsafe release, Force India got 5 000€ for Paul's unsafe release.

[nacho]

Some bad strategy happening in the race! Lotus and Mercedes letting their drivers get in way of each other on different tyres/strategies and then give team orders too late. I am no fan of team orders but if you're going to use them use them properly or not at all. Lotus was lucky to get Raikkonen back to podium, he lost what 7-10 seconds with their first strategy call ? I though Ferrari would pit Alonso earlier to put the fresh softs..

[gandharva]

I still think they should have left Kimi out and not do that last stop. He was 13 seconds away at that time.