Mercedes AMG F1 W04

[Anon123]

Hungary has a lot of low speed right, so they should fare a little better.

The problem with low speed tracks is Red Bull use full downforce, if it had a few long straights then the Mercedes would stand a better chance because the Red Bull would run lower downforce. That's why I'm looking forward to Monza when everyone runs low downforce and Mercedes FRIC system makes the difference in the slow corners, the DRD shouldn't harm them either.

[aral]

mercedes will probably roll one day at Silverstone Pirelli tests to evaluate the tires

I think this is the way it should be. They were banned from young drivers test; however, if they don't use new tires before Hungarian Gp, they will have a big disadvantage. They should try new compounds at that young drivers test.

Allowing Merc to test again would be like absolving them of any trickery. They got a penalty for breaking the rules, the penalty should stand. After all, it was a light penalty.

[diego.liv]

mercedes will probably roll one day at Silverstone Pirelli tests to evaluate the tires

I think this is the way it should be. They were banned from young drivers test; however, if they don't use new tires before Hungarian Gp, they will have a big disadvantage. They should try new compounds at that young drivers test.

Allowing Merc to test again would be like absolving them of any trickery. They got a penalty for breaking the rules, the penalty should stand. After all, it was a light penalty.

The penalty was for a YDT, nothing to do with a new-tyre-for-the-season-test. EVERY team in Merc condition would ask the same Merc has asked. They are still punished for the development-of-the-car-test AKA young driver test

[n_anirudh]

If they tested 2014 tires, why not ban them from the 1st test of 2014...

[Neno]

If they tested 2014 tires, why not ban them from the 1st test of 2014...

we still dont know what they tested, they could test 2012 structure with 2013 tire, or 2013 tires with 2014 structure or 2022 tires with 1991 structure...only pirelli know what they tested exactly, and rosberg guessed some tires during 1000 km as he give feedback to Pirelli, telling them which tires are step forward for THEIR car.

[n_anirudh]

If they tested 2014 tires, why not ban them from the 1st test of 2014...

we still dont know what they tested, they could test 2012 structure with 2013 tire, or 2013 tires with 2014 structure or 2022 tires with 1991 structure...only pirelli know what they tested exactly, and rosberg guessed some tires during 1000 km as he give feedback to Pirelli, telling them which tires are step forward for THEIR car.

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130531/f1/130539970

I guess members here will be bored to go over the testgate stuff once again...

[aral]

The penalty was for a YDT, nothing to do with a new-tyre-for-the-season-test. EVERY team in Merc condition would ask the same Merc has asked. They are still punished for the development-of-the-car-test AKA young driver test

But the point is that Merc already availed of a test for tyres to be used this season, whereas the others didn't. The penalty was to stop Merc TESTING, not to prohibit their young driver having a go!

Now the others are getting a chance to test, and if Merc don't, then the sin is redressed.

[dans79]

But the point is that Merc already availed of a test for tyres to be used this season, whereas the others didn't. The penalty was to stop Merc TESTING, not to prohibit their young driver having a go!

Now the others are getting a chance to test, and if Merc don't, then the sin is redressed.

why can no one get the facts strait on this subject, it's absolutely infuriating.....

They tested tires that incorporate aspects of next years tires, not tires to be used this year. The tires that will be tested at the YDT are reported to be 2012 construction wrapped in 2013 compounds, no one has tested these tires.

If they aren't allowed some running Merc should sue the FIA, as the punishment doesn't match what was originally agreed to. From a technical/safety stand point they should also sue, because its a potential safety hazard having Merc running a race on tires they have not tested with at all.

[BlackMercedes]

Since Merc has been punished by not attending the YDT and now we have a change in the YDT now its a universal Tyre test imo i dont see a problem merc testing the tyres along with the other teams.

They are still seeking clarification on the FIA ruling, yes merc go off lightly but without them doing the test will be a huge disadvantage to them.

Pirelli cost merc a possible win at silverstone

[aral]

why can no one get the facts strait on this subject, it's absolutely infuriating.....

They tested tires that incorporate aspects of next years tires, not tires to be used this year. The tires that will be tested at the YDT are reported to be 2012 construction wrapped in 2013 compounds, no one has tested these tires.

Yes, it is infuriating isn't it? Pirelli must have been telling porkies when they finally admitted to the tribunal, that 2012 tyres WERE tested. So must MERC, so must NICO!
They were gaining an advantage, which did in fact appear to help them. Now, allowing the other teams to get an advantage, to me seems like poetic justice and fair redress.

[dans79]

Yes, it is infuriating isn't it? Pirelli must have been telling porkies when they finally admitted to the tribunal, that 2012 tyres WERE tested. So must MERC, so must NICO!
They were gaining an advantage, which did in fact appear to help them. Now, allowing the other teams to get an advantage, to me seems like poetic justice and fair redress.

No you don't have your facts right yet again, they said 10% of the work was geared towards 2012, not that they ran 2012 tires.

[Phil]

I think the problem is more, that accoarding to Pirelli, Mercedes wasn't aware of what exactly they were testing. That was the whole point. So that data, no matter to what advantage it could be used, is very limiting. And all indications are so far that the gains we thought they made due to the test, might be rather down to the lower temperature (Silverstone) and a track (Monaco) that was always going to be to their strength. If Nürgburgring was any indication, it shows that Mercedes still has the same inherent tyre-wear issues we thought they solved.

The re-structered YDT is about testing tyres on behalf of safety grounds for this year. If Mercedes doesn't get any running at all - I would expect that disadvantage to be substantially bigger than any advantage they could have gained in the limited test they had.

[Anon123]

I can't see the car running at the test so I'm just hoping for a rainy Silverstone. [-o<

[hollus]

Gentlemen, this is the car thread. The testing that hasn't happened yet and that they likely won't do is not part of the car.
The team thread is over here http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 15&t=14369

[bonjon1979]

Since Merc has been punished by not attending the YDT and now we have a change in the YDT now its a universal Tyre test imo i dont see a problem merc testing the tyres along with the other teams.

They are still seeking clarification on the FIA ruling, yes merc go off lightly but without them doing the test will be a huge disadvantage to them.

Pirelli cost merc a possible win at silverstone

Didn't Merc win at silverstone?