2014 Design

[gary123]

can we say that next years nose will have a height like Mclarens camera under the nose?? or a little bit higher?

[n_anirudh]

I dont understand what changes will be applied to the rear wing's height and the main plane's dimensions http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_scratch.png

The rear wing will be skinnier like the ones we see in Spa/Monza...the depth of the wing will be shallow. This is to decrease drag and improve fuel efficiency

[Huntresa]

http://www.circusf1.com/f1/wp-content/g ... nt-low.jpg
can we say that next years nose will have a height like Mclarens camera under the nose?? or a little bit higher?

Well we can do the math, FW/nose pylons will have a max height of 135mm, and the nosetip at 185mm high.

[Mika1]

[Blackout]

I dont understand what changes will be applied to the rear wing's height and the main plane's dimensions http://illiweb.com/fa/i/smiles/icon_scratch.png

The rear wing will be skinnier like the ones we see in Spa/Monza...the depth of the wing will be shallow. This is to decrease drag and improve fuel efficiency

Thanks.

Would this nose design be possible ? the real nose tip/crash structure (arrow) tip is hidden in a 'pelican nose' : P

[Holm86]

Can't see how that would be legal.

[turbof1]

It is a nice attempt, but if I am correct the regulations stipulate the nosetip that has to be that low. Any sort of abuse looks to be covered. So yeah, nice try, but unfortunaly not legal.

[Blackout]

Okay. thanks

[turbof1]

What will happen with the turning vanes underneath the chassis and the turning vanes-like FW pylons?

I also would not discard stepped noses like Red Bull has these days; they kept the step in it, purely for saving weight. In that aspect they might continue on with that, just much lower placed according the rules.

[Javert]

Some thoughts:

- Would big undercuts as now still be useful? They can't get much air under nose now
- U-shaped sidepods were meant in 2011 to take more air to the beam wing. Now the beam wing has gone.
Can we have a design with U-pods taking air directly to the floor?

- Cars could be much less driveable than now as the team will search lower front heights to gain maximum downforce.
This could affect drivers like Button and Vettel who like to have a driveable car, and make Hamilton & Alonso joy.
Also, this could mean bouncing much more penalising (eh, McL? )

- I think that rear ride height will be the lowest possible as the diffuser working will be affected by the beam wing loss and exhaust blowing loss

[rssh]

Some thoughts:

- Would big undercuts as now still be useful? They can't get much air under nose now
- U-shaped sidepods were meant in 2011 to take more air to the beam wing. Now the beam wing has gone.
Can we have a design with U-pods taking air directly to the floor?

- Cars could be much less driveable than now as the team will search lower front heights to gain maximum downforce.
This could affect drivers like Button and Vettel who like to have a driveable car, and make Hamilton & Alonso joy.
Also, this could mean bouncing much more penalising (eh, McL? )

- I think that rear ride height will be the lowest possible as the diffuser working will be affected by the beam wing loss and exhaust blowing loss

Was L shaped side-pods meant for the beam wing ? I though they were meant for better air flow for the floor and more air in the beam-wing was secondary gain from it.

I would love to see team go extreme with the new car with double-floor's , aggressive side pods, tunnels (a la RB Lotus), front wings .

I would want to see if in the new regs teams design front wings to deflect air outside/inside the front wheels. Also I think nose will be smaller as in RB4 early races like to give more volume of air for under-aero work.

[Blackout]

Some thoughts:

- Would big undercuts as now still be useful? They can't get much air under nose now

Sure. with the shallower rear wing and the loss of the beam wing, floor and diffuser will be very important so team will try to make the sidepods as tight as possible IMO.

[Blackout]

What about 'micro-tube radiators' ? do you think we will see them in F1 soon ? or are some teams already using that kind of rads ?

[astracrazy]

I would want to see if in the new regs teams design front wings to deflect air outside/inside the front wheels. Also I think nose will be smaller as in RB4 early races like to give more volume of air for under-aero work.

They can't go any smaller then the regs allow.

It must have a minimum external cross section, in horizontal projection, of 9000mm² at a
point 50mm behind its forward-most point. Furthermore:
- The centre of area of this section must be no more than 185mm above the reference
plane
- No part of this section may be more than 50mm below its centre of area.

that gives you two ways you can really go. look horizontal, either tall and thin or low and wide. Teams will experiment with shapes, but the size will be the same

I also don't believe teams will put the air inside the wheels. i've looked at this myself and you lose to much overall area and wasting a lot of allowed space which could be used to produce downforce

[Huntresa]

I would want to see if in the new regs teams design front wings to deflect air outside/inside the front wheels. Also I think nose will be smaller as in RB4 early races like to give more volume of air for under-aero work.

They can't go any smaller then the regs allow.

It must have a minimum external cross section, in horizontal projection, of 9000mm² at a
point 50mm behind its forward-most point. Furthermore:
- The centre of area of this section must be no more than 185mm above the reference
plane
- No part of this section may be more than 50mm below its centre of area.

that gives you two ways you can really go. look horizontal, either tall and thin or low and wide. Teams will experiment with shapes, but the size will be the same


I also don't believe teams will put the air inside the wheels. i've looked at this myself and you lose to much overall area and wasting a lot of allowed space which could be used to produce downforce

But you can go quite small on the nose unless they also changed that since 09/10 when a few teams ran smaller nosetips.

And by small i mean a tip like this