Official Senna telemetry Imola 94?

[beelsebob]

A version if the 'truth' has been out for a long time. It isn't believed because it's been shown to be highly questionable by 'facts'. People desperately want to believe the steering column failure theory because it means they don't have to accept the crash being in any way their hero's fault. That simply cannot be faced. As Damon Hill said, he was not a God.

That is all.

The moon landing too has been shown never to have happened with "facts". As have two planes causing the destruction of the WTC towers on september the 11th.

[munudeges]

I'm afraid you're not going to muddy the waters with 'moon landing' tripe. The only other man to drive the 'moon lander', Damon Hill, has also already spoken. The only moon landing talk there is is the tripe you read on things like the 'Senna Files'.

The Renault ECU telemetry showed the steering never broke. Fact. The end.

[timbo]

People desperately want to believe the steering column failure theory because it means they don't have to accept the crash being in any way their hero's fault.

And how bottoming out becomes Senna's fault? I don't see a fault both ways.

[timbo]

The Renault ECU telemetry showed the steering never broke. Fact. The end.

Have you seen it? Do you know what it actually measured? At which points sensors were placed?

[Shrieker]

Let the poor guy RIP. Nothing to be gained from "new" speculation

But a lot to 'lose' for 'some' if the truth came out. And let me tell you this; it has a bad habit of doing so.

Oh for goodness sake! The truth has been out for a long time

Which is ?

[munudeges]

And how bottoming out becomes Senna's fault? I don't see a fault both ways.

It didn't happen to anyone else and it didn't happen to Damon Hill. You saw no other car in constant contact with the track as Senna's car quite obviously was. It was in evidence at Brazil as well. Ride height is a basic set up parameter and that is ultimately up to the driver.

[munudeges]

What evidence is there that the steering broke before the crash? None......and I'm frantically being asked how the steering telemetry was measured and where the sensors were? Please......

Richard Williams wrote a very good book on it and the other events of 1994. I suggest people pick up a copy. It also includes Benetton's traction control system, and yes it did exist and was found by a company the FIA had contracted and no it wasn't black helicopter talk. The FIA's line was that there was no evidence that it had been used. Make of that what you will.

Sometimes I fear that some people become anti-conspiracy conspiracy theorists. They have an inability to see what is right in front of them probably because the possible implications are too much for them to handle.

[timbo]

And how bottoming out becomes Senna's fault? I don't see a fault both ways.

It didn't happen to anyone else and it didn't happen to Damon Hill. You saw no other car in constant contact with the track as Senna's car quite obviously was. It was in evidence at Brazil as well. Ride height is a basic set up parameter and that is ultimately up to the driver.

And it is up to engineer to provide a driver a car which is safe. I saw plenty of cars generating sparks in Imola and other tracks. Never a single incident attributed to this.

[beelsebob]

And how bottoming out becomes Senna's fault? I don't see a fault both ways.

It didn't happen to anyone else and it didn't happen to Damon Hill. You saw no other car in constant contact with the track as Senna's car quite obviously was. It was in evidence at Brazil as well. Ride height is a basic set up parameter and that is ultimately up to the driver.

And it is up to engineer to provide a driver a car which is safe. I saw plenty of cars generating sparks in Imola and other tracks. Never a single incident attributed to this.

Here's another two incidents attributed to it:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1FtWgTOx8[/youtube]

[timbo]

Here's another two incidents attributed to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1FtWgTOx8

And they look nothing like Senna's

[tpe]

Here's another two incidents attributed to it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1FtWgTOx8

And they look nothing like Senna's

Zonda and Villeneuve cars oversteer. Senna's car understeered.

[GitanesBlondes]

People desperately want to believe the steering column failure theory because it means they don't have to accept the crash being in any way their hero's fault.

And how bottoming out becomes Senna's fault? I don't see a fault both ways.

It becomes his fault because he was the one who was dead set on reducing the ride height as low as it could go.

Frank Williams never let drivers play around with ride heights again for awhile after that as Jacques Villeneuve found out.

[GitanesBlondes]

And how bottoming out becomes Senna's fault? I don't see a fault both ways.

It didn't happen to anyone else and it didn't happen to Damon Hill. You saw no other car in constant contact with the track as Senna's car quite obviously was. It was in evidence at Brazil as well. Ride height is a basic set up parameter and that is ultimately up to the driver.

And it is up to engineer to provide a driver a car which is safe. I saw plenty of cars generating sparks in Imola and other tracks. Never a single incident attributed to this.

What engineer was going to say no to Senna at that point in his career?

They had their hands full just trying to sort out the FW-16.

Yes cars did spark elsewhere in the past, but it was a perfect storm weekend.

[timbo]

People desperately want to believe the steering column failure theory because it means they don't have to accept the crash being in any way their hero's fault.

And how bottoming out becomes Senna's fault? I don't see a fault both ways.

It becomes his fault because he was the one who was dead set on reducing the ride height as low as it could go.

Frank Williams never let drivers play around with ride heights again for awhile after that as Jacques Villeneuve found out.

A driver and the team would always push the set up for maximum performance. Recent tyre management regs show that nicely. To blame it on driver and say it is somehow his fault is like blaming driver for not sticking to road code while on track.

[GitanesBlondes]

A driver and the team would always push the set up for maximum performance. Recent tyre management regs show that nicely. To blame it on driver and say it is somehow his fault is like blaming driver for not sticking to road code while on track.

Formula One in 1994 was a different place from 2013.

Sort of reminds me of the quote that goes, "The past is a foreign country. They do things differently there."

Senna made a choice. Had he known what would happen, he would have done things differently no doubt.