Driver styles/preferences

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JimClarkFan wrote:
theformula wrote:People may find this interesting, it's about lewis' pole lap at silverstone. Let me know what you think!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8qoKDZe ... youtu.be&a
I'm confused, what corners are they referring to? It sounds like they mean the corner 6 and 7.

Though I can't see any mistake, it looked intentional to me.
Seems they're talking about Brooklands/Luffield, but I noticed some gearing glitch at Village/Loop.

PS he did seem to run a bit wide through Luffield.

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Yea it´s definitely Luffield.

Btw, very very interesting theory by Daly there on Rosberg and Hamilton and how they sort of raise each others games and use their different abilities to maximize the profit for both.

About 30-40 minutes in.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGsdq5XzEW8[/youtube]
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Does anyone have any info on how different drivers brake an accelerate.

I remember a thread a while back which compared the brake application, throttle application and steering wheel movement of Schumacher vs Barichello during their years are Ferrari. Basically Schumacher overlapped throttle and brake, and therefore had much more steering input mid corner, whereas Barrichello didn't overlap which meant he was much smoother. The interpretation of this was that Schumacher was driver more on the edge mid corner.

I'm in the preliminary stage of looking around, and I see lots of brake and throttle overlap from Hamilton, Button and Vettel. Do all the top driver overlap brake and throttle these days to some degree? Does anyone have examples of clear differences in style/preference?



Side Rant - They keep removing pole lap videos from youtube and other sources, finding direct comparisons is getting harder.

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JimClarkFan wrote:I'm in the preliminary stage of looking around, and I see lots of brake and throttle overlap from Hamilton, Button and Vettel. Do all the top driver overlap brake and throttle these days to some degree? Does anyone have examples of clear differences in style/preference?
I think everybody does it now, since each and everyone is braking with left foot. However, in recent years I've noticed quite a few times when a driver was asked to do less brake/throttle overlap by his engineer. Maybe that is for reliability.

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timbo wrote:
JimClarkFan wrote:I'm in the preliminary stage of looking around, and I see lots of brake and throttle overlap from Hamilton, Button and Vettel. Do all the top driver overlap brake and throttle these days to some degree? Does anyone have examples of clear differences in style/preference?
I think everybody does it now, since each and everyone is braking with left foot. However, in recent years I've noticed quite a few times when a driver was asked to do less brake/throttle overlap by his engineer. Maybe that is for reliability.
This practice is used less and less. Mainly because it burns so much more fuel it makes little difference in the end, if any. And reliability of course.

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During the Belgian GP, while Lewis was consistently as quick or quicker than Nico, he was slower at La Source. He was told at least twice on the radio that Rosberg was braking earlier but carrying more speed through the turn. As Eau Rouge is now flat, your exit speed from La Source determines your speed all the way to Les Combes, almost half a lap away
Source: http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/op ... -from-spa/
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Sebastian Bourdais wrote:His main strength is he is naturally gifted and has awesome car control and that allows him to drive a car on the limit with oversteer (when the front of the car has more grip than the rear) all the time - and that tends to be the quickest way in Formula 1.
This is Bourdais on Vettel

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23259028
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raymondu999 wrote:
Sebastian Bourdais wrote:His main strength is he is naturally gifted and has awesome car control and that allows him to drive a car on the limit with oversteer (when the front of the car has more grip than the rear) all the time - and that tends to be the quickest way in Formula 1.
This is Bourdais on Vettel

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23259028
Having Oversteer takes the life out of the Pirelli tires isn't it. Then how can Vettel Drive with Preferrred Oversteer and still manage the tires.

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Harsha wrote:Having Oversteer takes the life out of the Pirelli tires isn't it. Then how can Vettel Drive with Preferrred Oversteer and still manage the tires.
Not necessarily, because then the rears are holding lateral load for a VERY short amount of time - then the slide gets squashed out by exhaust downforce.

Also, sliding takes life out of the tyres - oversteer in and of itself does not mean sliding, it just means the front tyres are having less slip angle than the rears. The slip angle in the rears could still be low enough to not be considered a "slide"
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Lewis talks of his braking problems with Mercedes:
The car is different to the McLaren, it behaves differently and it pitches differently. It's just the way the technology is now, there are some things that help us benefit elsewhere but it hampers the car a little bit for me under braking. It's something we are working on and we can improve on over the course of time.

It's not been that bad over the last few races. I think I'm getting the best out of it. If you look at my brake pressure compared to Nico's, who's much more comfortable with it, they're similar, but if you look over the past seven years my brake pressure was way more than Jenson's, way more than Heikki's and it was always more than Fernando's.
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I cant remember the source but i found it very interesting when he talked about the two different sets of brake pads, the initial bite ones and the progressive softer ones.
He just said that the initial bite-ones was simply better in every area. Hence Nico changed his when Hamilton came.
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SectorOne wrote:I cant remember the source but i found it very interesting when he talked about the two different sets of brake pads, the initial bite ones and the progressive softer ones.
He just said that the initial bite-ones was simply better in every area. Hence Nico changed his when Hamilton came.
I don't think that was Hamilton. Wasn't it Peter Windsor who was talking about those? In his "Racer's Edge" column. The guy has a brake fetish.
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Harsha wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:
Sebastian Bourdais wrote:His main strength is he is naturally gifted and has awesome car control and that allows him to drive a car on the limit with oversteer (when the front of the car has more grip than the rear) all the time - and that tends to be the quickest way in Formula 1.
This is Bourdais on Vettel

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23259028
Having Oversteer takes the life out of the Pirelli tires isn't it. Then how can Vettel Drive with Preferrred Oversteer and still manage the tires.
This was discussed a lot back in 2011, Vettel ability to drive like a madman in qualy and stay within the tires during the race minimising lateral stress (Pirelli's big weakness).

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raymondu999 wrote:I don't think that was Hamilton. Wasn't it Peter Windsor who was talking about those? In his "Racer's Edge" column. The guy has a brake fetish.
Now that you mentioned Peter i realized where the quote came from.

Regarding the change from Brembo to Akebono,
Peter asked if you needed to adapt (in terms of changing brakes) but Hamilton said,
"you don´t need to adapt, they are just better, they´re just outright better"

And that when Hamilton came to the team, Rosberg tried them and realized they were simply better and subsequently changed brakes he too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBMCubccUM[/youtube]

So it does seem like the Akebono´s are simply better. The reason for some drivers not using them could be down to pure driving style.

There´s a quote somewhere from Hamilton´s F3 boss explaining how he mastered the late braking aspect.
And Hamilton said that Rosberg has been the only guy to ever really match him in late braking, specifically saying that Alonso never braked later then him which i found quite interesting.

That bit though will be tough to find, i can´t remember where that was written i just remember what had been said.
(like this time so maybe you can say some more names and it will pop up :))

I got downvoted the last time i said this but he really is one of the latest, late-brakes in F1.
It´s one of his signatures with the inside locking wheel if you have followed his career.
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Monza Free Practice 3, nothing new probably, more like little confirmation.

Ben Edwards: Do theyv(RB drivers) set their cars up pretty much identically...?
Christian Horner: They are slightly different but not radically different. They converge quite often. For example, overnight they converged to very fairly similar set up. Mark drives a car very classically. Sebastian rotates a car a bit more. He likes a bit of looser rear end to the car, a bit like motorbike.