2013 Italian GP - Monza

[Traction]

Anyone have the maximum recorded speeds from the race?

[munudeges]

Webber useless.

Why? I thought he had a good race today.

IMHO Webber should never have allowed Alonso to get through where he did. Pretty poor really. That was the difference between second and third. Track position.

[GitanesBlondes]

I think what the last few races have proven to me anyway, is that in spite of the contrived gimmicks designed to encourage more on-track action, we're seeing even less of it. I'm not talking about Vettel opening up a gap between P1 and P2, which I have no issue with as that's the nature of F1 when the best car is out front. I refer more to the midfield, and the complete lack of anything even remotely interesting. Yes there have been position changes, but they were of little note as not much effort is made in defending positions since there's little to defend.

Vettel deserves every bit of this world championship he is going to win, but the actual on-track product as a whole is ---. There is zero chance any team will improve beyond the position they occupy currently.

[zeph]

Webber useless.

Why? I thought he had a good race today.

IMHO Webber should never have allowed Alonso to get through where he did. Pretty poor really. That was the difference between second and third. Track position.

I thought that was a rather ballsy move by Alonso, and I don't think Webber expected that; I know I didn't. There was contact, he lost a piece of his front wing, what else should he have done? Block and crash?

I didn't completely agree with Alonso's choice there, I thought it was too risky, and with a lesser opponent it could easily have been game over.

[banibhusan]

I wonder what would have happened if Ferrari had covered Vettel during the 1st pit stop immediately instead of waiting and losing around 5s. The gap would have stayed around 5s-6s and with Vettel having problems at the end, things would have been a bit different me thinks. Nevertheless, all the top 4 drivers were mega today along with Hulk.

IMO, the outcome of the race was a punch in the face of Luca and the whole Ferrari board. Winning here twice in the past 3 years being a drinks company (as Luca would say) and that too without any sort of competition from the Ferraris is a bit too much to digest for the tifosi.

[SectorOne]

Damn... i really think Hamilton could have cut back on the pace once he was ahead of Rosberg and just bring it home, potentially lose 1-2-3 spots but still finish higher then this.

Absolutely bonkers race though from Hamilton and Raikkonen, great entertainment chasing through the field.
Overall it was one hell of a race even though the finger won.....again.. Red Bull are simply SUPERIOR in every single area.

[mx_tifoso]

Not winning here is hard to digest for the engineers, mechanics and drivers. The guys in the suits in Maranello and Modena are affected but they still get paid and do not have direct influence on the track, just payroll and marketing, etc. Imo it doesn't matter if they cannot accept losing, since they have nothing to do with it. I care about the men on the war front.

And what Alonso did with Webber can be understood because they respect each other and know where the line is. People like Vettel and others would not know and end up in a dnf or serious carnage.

[beelsebob]

Does anyone got an explanation for Alonso pit stop strategy? I actually thought its Ferrari's way of reminding Alonso who is the boss.

They said that they were just running to target, it was Vettel who had stopped too early because of a flat-spot after he locked the front-right at Turn 1.

Except he didn't – Vettel stopped bang in the middle of the 1 stop window.

[beelsebob]

I actually can't think of an exception other than silverstone, where there's fairly obvious force majore.

China? Spain?

China actually rather proves the "rule" – while Hamilton wasn't passed on lap 1, it was extremely clear at that point that he was going to be passed, he just did a very good job of defending. He was still passed extremely early in the race.

Similarly at Spain, Rosberg was passed very early in the race.

So yes, lap one is a little bit of an exaggeration, but the point stands – Mercedes are either passed very early in the race, or they win.

[beelsebob]

Agreed, this was purely two stop strategy playing out, it was a no brainer that they would be storming through the field at the end.

Yer. What Hamilton and Raikkonen did was easy......

I didn't at any point say it was easy. I said it was a no brainer that on a 2 stop strategy, where the final stop is heavily delayed, it's a no brainer that a professional F1 driver is going to be extremely quick in the final stage of the race.

[beelsebob]

Damn... i really think Hamilton could have cut back on the pace once he was ahead of Rosberg and just bring it home, potentially lose 1-2-3 spots but still finish higher then this.

I think you're mad if you think you can do 40ish laps on a single set of medium tyres.

Absolutely bonkers race though from Hamilton and Raikkonen, great entertainment chasing through the field.
Overall it was one hell of a race even though the finger won.....again.. Red Bull are simply SUPERIOR in every single area.

I really think you guys are reading too much into this. You're talking about two drivers driving on medium tyres that have to last 10-15 laps, up against people driving on hards, that have already done 15-20 laps, and need to do another 10-15. The hards are half a second slower to start with, they lose a tenth of pace every lap, it's not a surprise then that HAM and RAI were 1.5 seconds a lap faster than them, especially given that they could push 100%, because they didn't have to do a full (20-25 lap) stint on the mediums they were on.

[CHT]

Not winning here is hard to digest for the engineers, mechanics and drivers. The guys in the suits in Maranello and Modena are affected but they still get paid and do not have direct influence on the track, just payroll and marketing, etc. Imo it doesn't matter if they cannot accept losing, since they have nothing to do with it. I care about the men on the war front.

And what Alonso did with Webber can be understood because they respect each other and know where the line is. People like Vettel and others would not know and end up in a dnf or serious carnage.

I actually thought Webber was making it easy to help Alonso in the race as I find it hard to believe that Webber could be struggling in the same car that qualify 2nd around Monza and then make some dramatic recovery and pointless attempt to regain his position towards the end.

[mx_tifoso]

Did you see how well Alonso and Webber got along in that room before the podium ceremony? Practically ignoring Vettel and saying "fu, here's to helping Alonso close the gap as much as possible". But that's just my interpretation...

[Richard]

Did Vettel really not go to Webber's reception?

If so that'll be a nightmare team situation for RB.

[sennafan24]

On the lighter side of things, judging by the pre-podium conference, I think Vettel missed his new bud.