2013 Italian GP - Monza

[raymondu999]

Qualifying is about 1 lap. Red bull has had the measure of everyone in almost all the races. With them being able to win on supposedly the horsepower circuits, tell me where is this great horsepower of the mercs? Red bull has gotten stronger as the year goes on and has seemed to find even more pace in the last two races. I think renault has shown that they have the best all around motor.

I don't think we can single it out to the engine. It could be just that the Red Bull has the most efficient downforce map when faced with those low-drag setups

[Kiril Varbanov]

Qualifying is about 1 lap. Red bull has had the measure of everyone in almost all the races. With them being able to win on supposedly the horsepower circuits, tell me where is this great horsepower of the mercs? Red bull has gotten stronger as the year goes on and has seemed to find even more pace in the last two races. I think renault has shown that they have the best all around motor.

I don't think we can single it out to the engine. It could be just that the Red Bull has the most efficient downforce map when faced with those low-drag setups

No such thing as downforce map. The maps are, as we have already discussed with engine engineer, two-dimensional tables with columns usually being torque and engine speed, for example.

Red Bull almost matched the top speed of the rest of the teams, but the car itself features (from couple of races) smaller sidepods (huge contributor to drag, remember the World War I creations and trials with radiators), lots of diffuser-produced downforce, which simply enables more push in the corners. During the race Vettel was able to push even more, remember the radio: "We don't need that much" after setting the fastest lap after the tire change.

[raymondu999]

I don't think we can single it out to the engine. It could be just that the Red Bull has the most efficient downforce map when faced with those low-drag setups

No such thing as downforce map.

You misunderstood me. I meant if you were to plot L/D ratio against set velocity, then the Red Bull's low-downforce package has a local maxima there - a sweet spot.

[beelsebob]

I don't think we can single it out to the engine. It could be just that the Red Bull has the most efficient downforce map when faced with those low-drag setups

No such thing as downforce map.

You misunderstood me. I meant if you were to plot L/D ratio against set velocity, then the Red Bull's low-downforce package has a local maxima there - a sweet spot.

I'm not convinced that that's necessarily the case. Instead, I suspect that if you plot the L/D ratio of each team's various packages, you'll find that the red bull low downforce package is rather good across the whole range.

[raymondu999]

That's what I meant. My explanation came out wrong.

I'm basically saying Red Bull have the best low-drag aero

[komninosm]

GJ Vettel and hulk! Both Rbs having issues so conspiracy theorists can have some rest.

What issue did Vettel have?

Same stuff as webber but in higher gears so he was loosing a lot of time on the straights towards the end of the race.

They said nothing about this on TV. Only thing from Vettel radio was a last 2 laps smokescreen call to take it easy cause they were "nursing" some mystery issues.

[komninosm]

Hey, can someone theorize on what would have happened if Hamilton and/or Kimi who started on hard tires would have done in the race without the extra stop due to punctures early? (assuming the other drivers performed as they did in the actual race)

[aral]

Hey, can someone theorize on what would have happened if Hamilton and/or Kimi who started on hard tires would have done in the race without the extra stop due to punctures early? (assuming the other drivers performed as they did in the actual race)

No. It makes no difference. The result is the result, and all the "what ifs" in the world will not change it.

[aral]

They said nothing about this on TV. Only thing from Vettel radio was a last 2 laps smokescreen call to take it easy cause they were "nursing" some mystery issues.

It was repeatedly mentioned on TV, and it occurred well before Webbers problem.

[Just_a_fan]

Hey, can someone theorize on what would have happened if Hamilton and/or Kimi who started on hard tires would have done in the race without the extra stop due to punctures early? (assuming the other drivers performed as they did in the actual race)

You can run that hypothesis if you wish. Let us know the outcome.

[SectorOne]

All we know is the Mercedes was a weapon on medium compound, it wasn´t a 0,5s gap between Rosberg and Hamilton with Rosberg on 2 laps old Hard tires and Hamilton on 12 laps old Mediums, it was 1 second to 1,5s for quite a few laps.
The medium compound was just in a different league compared to the hard, for Mercedes at least.

Rosberg left, Hamilton right.


This is why i feel Hamilton could have easily cut down a second per lap almost and cruised to the finish, the medium just was in a different league in every single area.

[MOWOG]

a last 2 laps smokescreen call to take it easy cause they were "nursing" some mystery issues.

Watching Adrian Newey's body language on the podium, I believe that the RB was very, very close to a mechanical failure and just barely made it to the end of the race. There was no "mystery issue", there was genuine concern that the transmission would not last the full race distance. I also think that may be why Webber parked his car as soon as he crossed the finish line. And keep in mind that RB changed some of the gears in the transmissions of both cars before the start of the race, which according to the NBC commentators was unusual enough to be worth mentioning.

That's my opinion, any way. Your mileage may vary. See dealer for details.

[mikeerfol]

a last 2 laps smokescreen call to take it easy cause they were "nursing" some mystery issues.

Watching Adrian Newey's body language on the podium, I believe that the RB was very, very close to a mechanical failure and just barely made it to the end of the race. There was no "mystery issue", there was genuine concern that the transmission would not last the full race distance. I also think that may be why Webber parked his car as soon as he crossed the finish line. And keep in mind that RB changed some of the gears in the transmissions of both cars before the start of the race, which according to the NBC commentators was unusual enough to be worth mentioning.

That's my opinion, any way. Your mileage may vary. See dealer for details.

So is there any possibility they will have to change their gearboxes before Singapore which would mean a 5 place grid penalty?

[Mr Alcatraz]

Alonso about to crumble under pressure like he did at mclaren, he may go back to enstone for a 3 year bout again.

Not likely, but I guess one can always hope and dream.
Now that it looks like Kimi is joining Ferrari, Zo's detractors have even more straws to grasp

[gandharva]

All we know is the Mercedes was a weapon on medium compound, it wasn´t a 0,5s gap between Rosberg and Hamilton with Rosberg on 2 laps old Hard tires and Hamilton on 12 laps old Mediums, it was 1 second to 1,5s for quite a few laps.
The medium compound was just in a different league compared to the hard, for Mercedes at least.

Rosberg left, Hamilton right.
http://i.imgur.com/Dl30Wyy.jpg

This is why i feel Hamilton could have easily cut down a second per lap almost and cruised to the finish, the medium just was in a different league in every single area.

Comparing lap times of a two stopper 1:1 to a one stopper doesn't make any sense. Ferrari, RBR and even Hulk in the Sauber would have been able to do the same on a two stop strategy. Also Rosberg stated that he was safing tires on the beginning of his second stint.