Driver styles/preferences

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raymondu999 wrote:His TC was malfunctioning in a way that caused him to think he had an engine misfire.
Ok then that´s a big difference from simply stopped working. All the more impressive if it engages and disengages.
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the most impressive thing was he posted 7th fastest time after that without TC.

He's harsh on throttle doesn't mean he's not good at managing them.

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SectorOne wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:His TC was malfunctioning in a way that caused him to think he had an engine misfire.
Ok then that´s a big difference from simply stopped working. All the more impressive if it engages and disengages.
it did stopped working. The team switch it off and send kimi back to the track to help him gain experience, he ended up posting 7th fastest lap in the end.

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Kansas wrote:
SectorOne wrote:
raymondu999 wrote:His TC was malfunctioning in a way that caused him to think he had an engine misfire.
Ok then that´s a big difference from simply stopped working. All the more impressive if it engages and disengages.
it did stopped working. The team switch it off and send kimi back to the track to help him gain experience, he ended up posting 7th fastest lap in the end.
Ok i´ll wait until someone knows for sure. Seems everyone has a different answer to stuff.
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Kimi Raikkonen, a man on a mission in Monaco

Monaco is a hard nut to crack. Just ask the drivers who have faced the challenge of racing on the streets of the Principality. You will have heard them say many times that the barriers are unforgiving, and this is the truth. The tiniest mistake is enough to hit the wall. Imagine how difficult it is for a driver who has not had the chance to drive there in the junior categories to have their first experience of Monaco in an F1 car.

Kimi arrived at Monaco in just that situation in 2001, unlike most other F1 drivers. His teammate, Nick Heidfeld, raced there in F3, F3000 and in F1 with the Prost GP team a year earlier. So he knew his way around. The bottom line is that Kimi had to get to know the track. And quickly.

There was only one way to find out. His Sauber race engineer, Jacky Eeckelaert, told this blog: “I did a few laps with Kimi on a scooter to show where to put the wheels and where not, but this was when the road was open to traffic, and there was a traffic jam everywhere, and by that it was not possible to have a clean look at the racing lines”.

But on Thursday, Raikkonen had to face Monaco circuit for the first time during the busy free practice sessions. He was informed by Jacky that the grip would be very low, and that he should have kept the car away from the barriers and take it easy.

“The laptime evolution due to the track improvement as the rubber is laid down is bigger than what you can achieve by any setup changes and driving”, Jacky explains.

So Raikkonen had to learn his way around the track, adjust tire pressure, brake blanking, engine blanking, ride high settings at top speed and the “usual stuff” teams did in that period. Things moved on since then and drivers are running more complicated programmes these days.

“I also told him, the day before on the scooter, that the tunnel corner was flat out (full throttle, no lift, no braking)”, remembers Eeckelaert.

After Kimi’s first run he returned to the pits and reported that “everything felt normal”. “Then he asked me if I was sure that the tunnel corner was flat. My answer was ‘yes’”, adds Jacky. Trying to keep an F1 car with 850bhp flat out in a tunnel that you saw first time is not easy. Watch on television and it looks simple. But stand trackside in the tunnel as the cars blast through the right-hander and you see just how much they move around on the bumps.

The engineers made a few adjustments on the tyre pressures and after having a quick look in the telemetry data, Kimi climbed on the car to have his second run. The people on the pitwall were surprised seen the Finn taking the tunnel corner flat out on the out lap.

“That’s what I call having confidence in your race engineer and even more in your own ability as a racing driver”, reflects Eeckelaert. But he couldn’t do more than that because he ran into brake calliper problems and the session was over for him since repair took a while.”

Qualifying time and Kimi managed to get P15, outqualifying Heidfeld by 0.180 secs. So he started his first ever race in Monaco ahead of his teammate, an impressive achievement. But the race did not go as planned.

After 25 laps Kimi reported an issue with the engine. It was misfiring, so he had to pit. The Finn climbed out of the car and along with his engineers they checked the data. A faulty wheelspeed sensor “thought” that there was lots of wheel spin and cut the engine power down. Remember, this was in the days when traction control was legal.

“I told Kimi that changing it takes a lot of time, but what I proposed was just to get back in the car. I disconnected the traction control system and then he could do another 40 laps till the end of the race, just gaining experience for next year”, adds Jacky. But Kimi was already 4 laps down.

“Obviously I warned Kimi that without traction control the risk of going off is huge, as the V10 ignition maps were not smoothed out as is done nowadays were Traction Control (TC) is not allowed anymore, and therefore without TC the engine is very aggressive. ‘OK’ he replied and went out”

He made no errors and he finished the race in last position. Drivers like H.H.Frentzen (Jordan), J.P.Montoya (Williams) and N.Heidfeld (Sauber) didn’t finish the race after suffering damage. But look at the fastest laps of the race and Kimi’s name appears on on the 6th spot with the fastest time on Lap 60 … without traction control!

Definitely a man on a mission!
Source: http://blogit.mtv3.fi/mrenigma/2013/08/ ... in-monaco/
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On the subject of driving styles, I wonder who will benefit which way when wheelbase changes are concerned. Schumacher benefitted from the longer wheelbase W01, but that was more due to the mass distribution shift IMO. With mass distribution not changing with the new wheelbase (as they'll still fall in the same setup window of 7kg of ballast) IMO Raikkonen could benefit more than Grosjean when it comes to the LWB E21.

Raikkonen has a smoother turn-in which could be more in tune with a less responsive LWB car, while Grosjean, with his more violent turn-in, might have to tone down his turn-in as the car doesn't respond as quickly as before.
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IMO it is a simplification that wheel-base change has some direct mechanical effect of car attitude.
FWIW a longer wheelbase may result in different DF distribution which may produce a more pointy car.

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You spread out the loads more as well, like laying down on ice rather then standing on one point.
I´m sure this has an effect into and out off really fast corners while you are on the brakes or on the power.
A shorter wheelbase i´m sure has the tendency to pivot more easily in those situations.
Also when it lets go, a longer wheelbase is much more controllable past the limit.

Like drifting a BMW 750 versus a Smart car (imagining it has rear wheel drive)
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Found some more interesting regarding Vettel and oversteer.
Q: So how was it going today? In the second session you were half a second faster than team mate Mark Webber and a second faster than Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg in third...
SV: It went pretty well. A bit warm, maybe… (laughs) In the first session I was not so happy as I had quite some oversteer, but then in the second things went pretty smoothly.
FP1 4 tenths off Webber, FP2 oversteer problem solved and 6 tenths quicker then Webber.

(FIA interview on F1.com)
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SectorOne wrote:Like drifting a BMW 750 versus a Smart car (imagining it has rear wheel drive)
Smart Fortwo IS rear wheel driven with engine in the back.

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SectorOne wrote:

Found some more interesting regarding Vettel and oversteer.
Q: So how was it going today? In the second session you were half a second faster than team mate Mark Webber and a second faster than Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg in third...
SV: It went pretty well. A bit warm, maybe… (laughs) In the first session I was not so happy as I had quite some oversteer, but then in the second things went pretty smoothly.
FP1 4 tenths off Webber, FP2 oversteer problem solved and 6 tenths quicker then Webber.

(FIA interview on F1.com)
Sometimes it's too much, no one sets the car to oversteer badly (nor understeer).

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SectorOne wrote:Like drifting a BMW 750 versus a Smart car (imagining it has rear wheel drive)
Smart Fortwo IS rear wheel driven with engine in the back.
Ok had no idea, was just an example of a car with a short wheelbase.
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Mark is very sensitive to the aerodynamics of the car, whereas Sebastian has a good feel for tyres and suspension and that kind of thing. So they really have complemented each other over that period.
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One thing I noticed is that Vettel short shifts all the time instead of regulating the gas pedal. He just floors it in lower gears and when they're about to spin up he shifts and prevents wheel spin. Maybe part of the reason why he's kinder on tires than webber.

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Rosberg vs Vettel in Singapore 2013 Quali. Rosberg always takes a more circular line, and Vettel seems to go for a later apex on most corners.
http://player.vimeo.com/video/75111724? ... lor=ff9933
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Wow, the level of precision there is kinda nuts!