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"Road Relevance" and environmentalists. F1 is always in the public eye and has to keep up I think is the answer to that.GitanesBlondes wrote:Genuine question - why does everyone have an obsession with making F1 greener?
Not everyone. I would say only fools but gee I wouldn't want to upset anyone.Genuine question - why does everyone have an obsession with making F1 greener?
so how are you supposed to see a Kamikaze wing move from behind? Think how many times cars lose the front wing in moves that were never going to work. So now its the lead cars job to move over because some one put a wing they cant see next to a rear tire?beelsebob wrote:I would adjust the rules re overtaking:
20.4: No driver shall make a manoeuvre that would cause another driver, who is significantly alongside, to leave the track. For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is along side the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.
20.5 should be deleted.
Note – this bans all manoeuvres that involve squeezing a driver out wide on a corner exit. It's still valid to push them far enough that they have to dip a wheel or two onto the white line, or into the dirt, but it is not valid to push them actually off the track.
This would make the rules very clear re the incidents involving Hamilton and Hulkenberg at Singapore, that it was the inside driver's responsibility to make sure that there was enough room for the other driver, and that they can't simply run them out of road and hope they don't collide.
Similarly, it makes it very clear that it would be Hamilton's responsibility at Singapore 2 years ago, to make sure that Webber had room at the apex.
This is partly in my opinion why overtaking has become a rather dull affair in F1 now. Between DRS, and the ever-increasing limits on defensive maneuvers, the genuinely skilled overtakes have become far fewer as there's little reason to defend any longer.flynfrog wrote:so how are you supposed to see a Kamikaze wing move from behind? Think how many times cars lose the front wing in moves that were never going to work. So now its the lead cars job to move over because some one put a wing they cant see next to a rear tire?beelsebob wrote:I would adjust the rules re overtaking:
20.4: No driver shall make a manoeuvre that would cause another driver, who is significantly alongside, to leave the track. For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is along side the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.
20.5 should be deleted.
Note – this bans all manoeuvres that involve squeezing a driver out wide on a corner exit. It's still valid to push them far enough that they have to dip a wheel or two onto the white line, or into the dirt, but it is not valid to push them actually off the track.
This would make the rules very clear re the incidents involving Hamilton and Hulkenberg at Singapore, that it was the inside driver's responsibility to make sure that there was enough room for the other driver, and that they can't simply run them out of road and hope they don't collide.
Similarly, it makes it very clear that it would be Hamilton's responsibility at Singapore 2 years ago, to make sure that Webber had room at the apex.
The rule is working as intended in this instance. If it truly is kamikaze, and never going to come off, then they'll overshoot, and you cut back under them, getting better traction to take the position back. If they manage to make it stick even when you try that, then clearly it wasn't kamikaze.flynfrog wrote:so how are you supposed to see a Kamikaze wing move from behind? Think how many times cars lose the front wing in moves that were never going to work. So now its the lead cars job to move over because some one put a wing they cant see next to a rear tire?beelsebob wrote:I would adjust the rules re overtaking:
20.4: No driver shall make a manoeuvre that would cause another driver, who is significantly alongside, to leave the track. For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is along side the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a 'significant portion'.
20.5 should be deleted.
Note – this bans all manoeuvres that involve squeezing a driver out wide on a corner exit. It's still valid to push them far enough that they have to dip a wheel or two onto the white line, or into the dirt, but it is not valid to push them actually off the track.
This would make the rules very clear re the incidents involving Hamilton and Hulkenberg at Singapore, that it was the inside driver's responsibility to make sure that there was enough room for the other driver, and that they can't simply run them out of road and hope they don't collide.
Similarly, it makes it very clear that it would be Hamilton's responsibility at Singapore 2 years ago, to make sure that Webber had room at the apex.
